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05/03/2008 03:56:51 ‹Blazej› Hmm... Wizards of the Coast is coming to my Career Day.
05/03/2008 03:56:53 ‹Daigle› Howdy Dr Jacobs
05/03/2008 03:56:55 ‹Somber Pygon› welcome James!
05/03/2008 03:56:56 ‹Saracenus› weclome JJ 
03:57:01 ‹Blazej› Hello.
05/03/2008 03:57:04 ‹James Jacobs› Hey there, everyone!
05/03/2008 03:57:08 ‹Charles Evans› I note that instead of a product today, Lisa Stevens has posted a tribute to Gary Gygax at the head of the Paizo store page.
05/03/2008 03:57:19 ‹Turin the Mad› o/ Sir Jacobs
05/03/2008 03:57:20 ‹B.A.› JJ
05/03/2008 03:57:23 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening James Jacobs.
05/03/2008 03:57:27 ‹B.A.› Hoody Hoo!!!
05/03/2008 03:57:39 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. We also have a bit about Gary on our blog for today.
05/03/2008 03:57:56 * B.A. changes his/her nickname to DMcCoy1693
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05/03/2008 03:58:04 ‹Russ› Hey James. I saw both. Thank you.
05/03/2008 03:58:07 ‹Saracenus› This video was dedicated to Gary by a Salon.com columnist that elugized him... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...s6YQR9A
05/03/2008 03:58:17 ‹Ross› It is unfortunate that not even true ressurection can revive one whose time had come.
05/03/2008 03:58:26 ‹Russ› Reincarnation!
05/03/2008 03:58:27 ‹The Jade› Hi James.
05/03/2008 03:58:40 ‹Ross› Russ, but then how would we know it was him?
05/03/2008 03:58:55 ‹Ross› The Dalai Lama has been pulling that one for a long time.
05/03/2008 03:59:04 ‹Ross› It takes them so long just to track the guy down!
05/03/2008 03:59:04 ‹Sad Lilith› JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMES!
05/03/2008 03:59:08 * Sad Lilith runs n' glomps James Jacobs
05/03/2008 03:59:15 ‹Wyvern› Hey James
05/03/2008 03:59:19 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacons: I don't think that it would look a knee-jerk reaction from Paizo, so will there be a dedication to gary Gygax in any upcoming rpoducts?
05/03/2008 03:59:23 ‹Koldoon› heya James
05/03/2008 03:59:27 ‹Crazy Pete› Jimmy J!
05/03/2008 03:59:33 * Saracenus passes out some :beer: for the wake
05/03/2008 03:59:34 ‹Russ› I imagine Samarkand Solution will have one
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05/03/2008 03:59:43 ‹The Last Rogue› Koldoon, long time no see
05/03/2008 03:59:46 ‹The Last Rogue› how are you?
05/03/2008 03:59:47 ‹The Jade› Hi Tensor
05/03/2008 03:59:56 ‹Russ› His last book. That's so sad.
05/03/2008 04:00:03 ‹Russ› (the one referenced in the store news)
05/03/2008 04:00:04 ‹The Jade› Hey, hi everyone I didn't say hi to directly.  There's a lot of you.
05/03/2008 04:00:04 ‹tensor› hey Jade
05/03/2008 04:00:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah. We'll be dedicating something to him in addition to printing Samarkand and his last novel.
05/03/2008 04:00:21 ‹Daigle› This place get's hoppin' 'round this time.
05/03/2008 04:00:26 ‹Wyvern› Heya Jade
05/03/2008 04:00:30 * Charles Evans passes Turin a :cthulhu:.
05/03/2008 04:00:32 ‹Ask a Shoanti in Mourning› Oh sure - an indirect "Hi"
05/03/2008 04:00:33 ‹Turin the Mad› indeed Jade - even some familiar forumites from various posts :)
05/03/2008 04:00:45 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... a dedication to him seems appropriate. I'll probably say something about him in Pathfinder 9's foreword, since that's the one I'm working on right now.
05/03/2008 04:00:45 ‹DMcCoy1693› JJ - nice
05/03/2008 04:00:48 ‹Turin the Mad› mmm .... Cthulhukibble ... :raptor:
05/03/2008 04:01:01 * Russ will dedicate Monday's session to the fallen
05/03/2008 04:01:19 ‹Somber Pygon› speaking of which, I believe the first PF 7 pre-ship emails went out today!
05/03/2008 04:01:23 ‹tensor› Saracenus:  what does that video have to do with gygax?
05/03/2008 04:01:29 ‹Turin the Mad› got mine Pygon
05/03/2008 04:01:34 ‹tensor› I have seen that one  before.
05/03/2008 04:01:38 ‹Crazy Pete› Got Mine
05/03/2008 04:01:49 ‹Sad Lilith› That's a heckuva tribute to Mr Gygax from Lisa. Kudos
05/03/2008 04:01:58 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: I take it that the sombre black decor is as a mark of respect?
05/03/2008 04:02:07 ‹The Jade› Thanks, wyv. :)
05/03/2008 04:02:13 ‹Russ› Tensor - everything, if you think about it
05/03/2008 04:02:18 ‹Saracenus› http://www.salon.com/tech/htww...ex.html
05/03/2008 04:02:33 ‹Russ› Pygon> Yes, the pre-ship mails went out, and the 15% discount wasn't applied. Bah! :)
05/03/2008 04:02:38 ‹Saracenus› Tensor, it is in the context of the obit/rememberence for Gary there
05/03/2008 04:02:38 ‹James Jacobs› PF7 is in our warehouse, along with Korvosa and the Harrow deck. I suspect they're all shipping out now. Not NOW, of course, but this week.
05/03/2008 04:02:42 ‹Sad Lilith› Charles Evans: It is.
05/03/2008 04:02:57 ‹Ross› Russ, 15% discount doesn't start till the 10th.
05/03/2008 04:03:04 ‹Russ› Ah, got it.
05/03/2008 04:03:10 ‹Ask a Shoanti in Mourning› I have enjoyed the Gygax tributes and individual board posts
05/03/2008 04:03:12 ‹Sad Lilith› James Jacobs: Sweet! This means I can get some harrow practice in for PaizoCon! :woot:
05/03/2008 04:03:20 ‹Russ› A bit annoying that two products are getting tossed in before it starts, then, oh well
05/03/2008 04:03:25 ‹Russ› Timing :)
05/03/2008 04:03:29 ‹James Jacobs› That would have happened no matter what.
05/03/2008 04:03:40 ‹James Jacobs› Products shipping before the discount applies.
05/03/2008 04:03:49 ‹James Jacobs› My name's ORANGE this time!
05/03/2008 04:04:01 ‹Turin the Mad› 'sides Russ, I think we're getting 30% as PF subscribers anywy
05/03/2008 04:04:07 ‹The Jade› Orange you glad he didn't say banana?
05/03/2008 04:04:18 ‹Russ› yeah, but if PF #7 had shipped on time, two of those wouldn't have shipped until the end of this month :)
05/03/2008 04:04:29 ‹Sad Lilith› James Jacobs is as red as Korvosa's throne for me. :)
05/03/2008 04:04:36 ‹Daigle› Red here too
05/03/2008 04:04:37 ‹Turin the Mad› I see you as burple Sir Jacobs
05/03/2008 04:04:44 ‹Ross› Russ, I know. My monthy bill was over $80 this month. 15% of 80 is a lot.
05/03/2008 04:04:45 ‹Russ› Red here
05/03/2008 04:04:47 ‹Atrocious› Nay, it be green!
05/03/2008 04:04:52 ‹DMcCoy1693› Dark purple for me
05/03/2008 04:04:53 ‹Russ› $100 here
05/03/2008 04:04:58 * Sad Lilith whispers it's different for everybody.
05/03/2008 04:05:02 ‹Crazy Pete› BLUE!
05/03/2008 04:05:06 ‹Russ› $92.82 I guess
05/03/2008 04:05:20 ‹Russ› But it'd only be 15% off the non-PF, non-shipping, non-Planet Stories part
05/03/2008 04:05:21 ‹Hill Giant› Orange: http://cyncyn.com/audio/Orange.mp3
05/03/2008 04:05:45 ‹Russ› the 15% was making me feel better about buying the map folio
05/03/2008 04:06:14 ‹Turin the Mad› wait until next week to do any ordering - I've got a few dozen baby vorpal rabbits to get and pile up around the big one
05/03/2008 04:06:18 ‹Russ› But I'll enjoy once I get my Runelords campaign rolling
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05/03/2008 04:07:56 * Crazy Pete whips out the 8-Tracks to play "Rollin' with My Homies" for Russ.
05/03/2008 04:08:03 ‹The Jade› I leave the room for  a minute and I come back to a game of twister.  What's with the colors?
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05/03/2008 04:08:21 ‹The Jade› ROAR (translation... hey moonlion)
05/03/2008 04:08:32 ‹Moonlion› Good evening! :)
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05/03/2008 04:08:56 ‹Moonlion› Don't talk all at once!
05/03/2008 04:08:57 ‹James Jacobs› Moonlion! WE MEET AGAIN! <narrows eyes>
05/03/2008 04:09:06 ‹Moonlion› /narrows eyes
05/03/2008 04:09:20 * Somber Pygon switches the camera back and forth between them
05/03/2008 04:09:21 ‹Crazy Pete› Monkeybutt!
05/03/2008 04:09:26 ‹Ross› James, what is Paizo's opinion on point buy vs dice?
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05/03/2008 04:09:44 ‹James Jacobs› Paizo's? Dice are better. Now go to paizo.com and buy some!
05/03/2008 04:09:52 ‹Russ› they certainly like standard array and hp in PF
05/03/2008 04:09:54 ‹Ross› I did!
05/03/2008 04:09:57 ‹DMcCoy1693› :lol:
05/03/2008 04:10:01 ‹Sad Lilith› Dice is win!
05/03/2008 04:10:17 * Samwise returns
05/03/2008 04:10:17 ‹Turin the Mad› dice ftw
05/03/2008 04:10:17 ‹Ross› You're sending me a pound o' dice.
05/03/2008 04:10:19 ‹DMcCoy1693› James:  What do you guys use in your office game?
05/03/2008 04:10:30 ‹Somber Pygon› how are you feeling about what's coming out of DnDXP James?
05/03/2008 04:10:30 ‹Moonlion› They're both fine--it's personal preference, I tells ya!
05/03/2008 04:10:35 ‹Russ› Hello again Sam
05/03/2008 04:10:50 ‹Samwise› yo Russ
05/03/2008 04:10:51 ‹James Jacobs› My personal opinion is that building character ability scores with dice is fun, but there's always one player at the table who pooches the dice and gets an iron lung patient. So in my latest home game, I think I made people go point buy to keep everyone honest.
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05/03/2008 04:11:09 ‹Saracenus› Yep, there you go
05/03/2008 04:11:14 ‹Saracenus› Diceless
05/03/2008 04:11:16 ‹Turin the Mad› lol, but the pooched characters can be so much fun
05/03/2008 04:11:17 ‹James Jacobs› In the Age of Worms game, I think we used 4d6, drop the lowest.
05/03/2008 04:11:21 ‹Wyvern› Blasphemy
05/03/2008 04:11:31 ‹Saracenus› James is going to rock, paper, scissors for stats :razz:
05/03/2008 04:11:37 ‹James Jacobs› Least favorite: 3d6, roll in order
05/03/2008 04:11:45 ‹Somber Pygon› we can attest to that :)
05/03/2008 04:11:47 ‹Moonlion› The advantage of point is that people can make their characters away from the table at their leisure w/o someone calling BS on "lucky" die rolls.
05/03/2008 04:11:47 ‹James Jacobs› That's a good method to roll up a dirt farmer.
05/03/2008 04:11:54 ‹Koldoon› that's my usual model.  If the campaign is particularly dangerous I have the players reroll ones.
05/03/2008 04:11:57 ‹Somber Pygon› we get more farmers and horse guards here than anything, and lots and lots of rogues
05/03/2008 04:11:58 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There has been further recent discussion including brickbats & bouquets on the 'Cthulhu in my Golarion' thread I believe, and I was wondering how up to date you are on that?
05/03/2008 04:12:05 ‹Turin the Mad› UA 1e - those were fun
05/03/2008 04:12:09 ‹Ross› The harrow deck comes with stat instructions, right?
05/03/2008 04:12:13 ‹James Jacobs› What the hell are brickbats & bouquets?
05/03/2008 04:12:26 ‹Takasi in Black› back, I missed 496 messages
05/03/2008 04:12:27 ‹Charles Evans› Complaints & praises.
05/03/2008 04:12:38 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Yeah. I'm up to date, I believe, on that thread.
05/03/2008 04:12:56 ‹DMcCoy1693› Takasi - let me explain, no there is to much, let me sum up.
05/03/2008 04:13:01 ‹Charles Evans› Someone had been wondering if 'Leng' was a step too far, I believe.
05/03/2008 04:13:16 ‹James Jacobs› It's good to see that most folk are open to including Lovecraftian elements. It seemed to work well enough in 1st edition, with things like ghasts and aboleths and mind flayers, for example.
05/03/2008 04:13:26 ‹Turin the Mad› Leng rawked
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05/03/2008 04:13:35 ‹Russ› Yeah, but those are all psuedo-Lovecraft
05/03/2008 04:13:44 ‹Russ› I don't mind myself
05/03/2008 04:13:45 ‹James Jacobs› Leng might be a step too far. I don't think it is, but it's certainly a step beyond just putting in monsters.
05/03/2008 04:13:49 ‹Turin the Mad› and the hillbilly ogres and giants ... I can't wait to sicc those on some players
05/03/2008 04:13:54 ‹James Jacobs› Ghasts are pure Lovecraft, actaully.
05/03/2008 04:13:56 ‹Saracenus› I have to say, I am impressed at the broad reach Gary and D&D have had... I have seen tributes to him on Forbes.com, The National Review, and Salon.com... not to mention the electronic gaming press
05/03/2008 04:13:57 ‹Turin the Mad› yup
05/03/2008 04:14:12 ‹Moonlion› And the BBC!
05/03/2008 04:14:16 ‹Sad Lilith› Saracenus: BBC News, CNet, CNN
05/03/2008 04:14:24 ‹Takasi in Black› we were reading something today, some link from a Gygax tribute, that talks about the word orc coming directly from Orcus
05/03/2008 04:14:35 ‹Hill Giant› Electronic gaming owes a lot to Gygax, even if it is indirectly
05/03/2008 04:14:49 ‹Moonlion› Aye.
05/03/2008 04:14:59 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> The harrow deck does not come with stat instructions, no. It's a fortune telling device, like the Tarroka deck was for Ravenloft. It's also a card game. I suspect stat building methods will come soon enough.
05/03/2008 04:15:01 ‹Russ› I was looking into that, and that seems like is misleading
05/03/2008 04:15:17 ‹Saracenus› Hill Giant> Its not indirect, they would not exist today in the way they do without D&D blazing the trail
05/03/2008 04:15:21 ‹Russ› Orc is generally thought to come from orcus, but that's not Tolkien's attribution
05/03/2008 04:15:24 ‹DMcCoy1693› indirectly, hell, WoW and all 1st person shooters are direct inspired by Gygax
05/03/2008 04:15:26 ‹tensor› Saracenus:  I read the salon article.  It makes sense now.  I like the sentiment that there is a gygaxian overtone built into the infrastructure of the internet.
05/03/2008 04:15:44 ‹Hill Giant› Saracenus: Only indirect int hat Gygax himslef wasn't involved
05/03/2008 04:15:46 ‹Saracenus› Cool, I thought you would like it
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05/03/2008 04:16:08 ‹tensor› the first time I was in a chat room was in 1987.  We talked about DnD.   heh.
05/03/2008 04:16:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I think you had posted that you were taking 10 pages out of the Pathfinder adventures from Second Darkness onwards, and devoting pages to 'side treks' that tied into the main story; I remember seeing a reference somewhere that side-treks (or something) might only be eight pages long.
05/03/2008 04:16:38 ‹Takasi in Black› the quote from Tolkien said the word was derived from Orcus
05/03/2008 04:16:43 ‹Charles Evans› Will the side treks be ten pages or eight, and two extra pages fr something else?
05/03/2008 04:16:51 ‹Turin the Mad› think it was 8 pages Sir Charles
05/03/2008 04:16:55 ‹Saracenus› Art and titles Charles
05/03/2008 04:17:15 ‹Turin the Mad› tells me Orcus as a name predates the game
05/03/2008 04:17:23 ‹Russ› "the word is, as far as I am concerned, actually derived from Old English orc 'demon', but only because of its phonetic suitability"[4]
05/03/2008 04:17:32 ‹Russ› yes, of course Orcus predates the game
05/03/2008 04:17:35 ‹Ask a Shoanti in Mourning› Night all - thanks for the group commune on G.Gygax
05/03/2008 04:17:37 ‹James Jacobs› We'll have about 24 pages to devote to things like gazetteers, side-quest adventures, ecologies, deity articles, and all the back-matter stuff. Generally, there'll be 3, each 8 pages long.
05/03/2008 04:17:40 ‹Takasi in Black› Orcus was Etruscan god of the dead, predating Romans
05/03/2008 04:17:42 ‹Russ› "I originally took the word from Old English orc (Beowulf 112 orc-neas and the gloss orc = þyrs ('ogre'), heldeofol ('hell-devil')). This is supposed not to be connected with modern English orc, ork, a name applied to various sea-beasts of the dolphin order."[5]
05/03/2008 04:17:49 ‹Turin the Mad› nn
05/03/2008 04:17:49 ‹James Jacobs› The length will probably vary by a few pages here and there, thoguh.
05/03/2008 04:17:51 ‹Takasi in Black› Romans attributed the name to the 'dark side' of Pluto
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05/03/2008 04:18:09 ‹Russ› The rcus quote: "The word used in translation of Q urko, S orch is Orc. But that is because of the similarity of the ancient English word orc, 'evil spirit or bogey', to the Elvish words. There is possibly no connection between them. The English word is now generally supposed to be derived from Latin Orcus."[
05/03/2008 04:18:28 ‹Russ› and finally: Orc I derived from Anglo-Saxon, a word meaning demon, usually supposed to be derived from the Latin Orcus -- Hell. But I doubt this, though the matter is too involved to set out here". [7]
05/03/2008 04:18:29 * tensor sighs
05/03/2008 04:18:53 ‹James Jacobs› I thought they were called orcs cause that's the sound they make when they eat RAW MEAT.
05/03/2008 04:19:01 ‹Turin the Mad› lol
05/03/2008 04:19:02 ‹James Jacobs› orc orc orc orc orc nom nom nom orc orc
05/03/2008 04:19:16 ‹Blazej› Bork?
05/03/2008 04:19:21 ‹Somber Pygon› James: (sorry, reposting) how are you feeling about what's coming out of DnDXP?
05/03/2008 04:19:21 ‹James Jacobs› Bjork?
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05/03/2008 04:19:43 ‹Ross› Were dah Orks! Waaggghhh!
05/03/2008 04:19:44 ‹Ross› Wait.
05/03/2008 04:19:46 ‹Takasi in Black› I think it would be interesting to tie orcs to Orcus, using Orcus as the alter ego of a normally impartial god of the dead
05/03/2008 04:19:50 ‹Ross› That's the wrong orcs.
05/03/2008 04:19:53 ‹DMcCoy1693› James How's the response to the GameMaster Modules rebranding to Pathfinder Modules and the new line of Pathfinder Companions
05/03/2008 04:19:57 ‹James Jacobs› I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed and antsy and nervous and curious and SO MUCH MORE about the D&D XP news.
05/03/2008 04:19:59 ‹Blazej› http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/
05/03/2008 04:20:03 ‹Blazej› Bork!
05/03/2008 04:20:05 ‹Turin the Mad› D&D XP ?
05/03/2008 04:20:08 ‹Charles Evans› Takasi: Pluto the deity of the Roman Underworld you mean?
05/03/2008 04:20:09 ‹Turin the Mad› Experience?
05/03/2008 04:20:11 ‹Takasi in Black› perhaps orcs being the souls which will birth the demons that feed Orcus
05/03/2008 04:20:13 ‹Somber Pygon› yes
05/03/2008 04:20:22 ‹Takasi in Black› right Charles
05/03/2008 04:20:28 ‹James Jacobs› DMmCOY> The response seems to be mostly pretty positive to the changes to the module line and the Companions. So far, at least.
05/03/2008 04:20:57 ‹DMcCoy1693› I'm really excited about the companion line
05/03/2008 04:21:04 ‹Takasi in Black› D&D XP info is like drinking from a firehouse after sucking dirt for six months
05/03/2008 04:21:13 ‹DMcCoy1693› I'm just waiting a bit before subscribing
05/03/2008 04:21:14 ‹James Jacobs› HA! it is.
05/03/2008 04:21:20 ‹Takasi in Black› I can't express how much I enjoy the Companion line
05/03/2008 04:21:29 ‹James Jacobs› And I'm not sure yet what flavor is coming out of that firehose. It's too much at once.
05/03/2008 04:21:31 ‹Takasi in Black› that is EXACTLY the type of sandbox support I was looking for
05/03/2008 04:21:31 ‹Ross› Takasi in Black, that wasn't dirt.
05/03/2008 04:21:38 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs: How much future stuff is going to be "generic" Gamemastery vs. Pathfinder specific?
05/03/2008 04:21:54 ‹Ross› Takasi in Black, James Jacobs, I would also like to express my joy at the Companion line.
05/03/2008 04:22:07 ‹James Jacobs› GameMastery is going to refer to game-neutral stuff, like map packs, flip mats, and item cards.
05/03/2008 04:22:32 ‹Turin the Mad› those are a gawdsend
05/03/2008 04:22:35 ‹James Jacobs› The modules, adventure paths, companions, and chronicles products are all set in Golarion and expand upon that world.
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05/03/2008 04:22:53 ‹James Jacobs› The modules will remain self-contained, thoguh; they'll not really rely on much outside themselves to run.
05/03/2008 04:22:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How much longer is it going to take t debrief Buhlman and develop the secret microdot phtogaphs of the 4E rules that he took which you aren't allowed to tell us aboput yet?
05/03/2008 04:22:56 ‹Takasi in Black› While I might not even read through an Osirion module if I'm not running it, I will definately use and reuse material from an Osirion sourcebook
05/03/2008 04:23:03 * Moonlion is looking forward to Golarion material for his Golarion campaign.
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05/03/2008 04:23:07 ‹Takasi in Black› I very much prefer very flavorful, rules light setting material
05/03/2008 04:23:14 ‹Takasi in Black› that type of support is hard to come by these days
05/03/2008 04:23:14 ‹Sad Lilith› NICK! :glomp:
05/03/2008 04:23:15 ‹Koldoon› Nick!
05/03/2008 04:23:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› Logue!!!!
05/03/2008 04:23:19 ‹James Jacobs› We've got a big D&D XP debrief meeting tomorrow morning, in fact.
05/03/2008 04:23:19 ‹DMcCoy1693› Nick!!!
05/03/2008 04:23:20 ‹Nick Logue› WHAASSSSSSSUP!
05/03/2008 04:23:24 ‹Russ› It's possibly, though murky, that orc and ogre are both from orcus.
05/03/2008 04:23:24 ‹Takasi in Black› greetings Nick
05/03/2008 04:23:27 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE MY LITTLE PONY FORUMS?
05/03/2008 04:23:39 ‹Sad Lilith› Nick Logue: WE ARE MANY AND STRONG...minus one. :( :thug:
05/03/2008 04:23:46 ‹Nick Logue› I LOVE PONIES!  LOVE EM IN THE CARNAL SENSE THAT IS!
05/03/2008 04:23:57 ‹Turin the Mad› It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again - stinkin' ponies
05/03/2008 04:23:57 * Crazy Pete changes his/her nickname to Madness Follows
05/03/2008 04:23:58 ‹Madness Follows› :excite:
05/03/2008 04:24:01 ‹Nick Logue› It's true Lilith...I made sure not to enter that way this dark dark day.
05/03/2008 04:24:02 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: I seem to recall that ogre is nordic
05/03/2008 04:24:03 ‹Russ› I'm hoping that the release of playtest NDAs isn't a myth.
05/03/2008 04:24:04 ‹Charles Evans› saw a report that they were the forums fullest of trlls on all the Gleemax boards, so the thought instantly occured to me that you must be in someway responsible.
05/03/2008 04:24:15 ‹Nick Logue› I'm just ducking in here.
05/03/2008 04:24:33 ‹Nick Logue› My mom is in town, so I'm going to visit with her and me wife!
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05/03/2008 04:24:42 ‹Russ› I'm dismayed at the spells section that was released.
05/03/2008 04:24:43 ‹Nick Logue› Just wanted to poke my head in and say HOWDY!
05/03/2008 04:24:47 ‹Sad Lilith› Sir WUlf! :glomp:
05/03/2008 04:24:49 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: But Mother's Day was last weekend...
05/03/2008 04:24:50 ‹Russ› Howdy Nick, on this sad day
05/03/2008 04:24:52 ‹Turin the Mad› Howdy-Howdy
05/03/2008 04:24:52 ‹DMcCoy1693› Howdy nick
05/03/2008 04:24:56 * Sir WUlf changes his/her nickname to Sir Wulf
05/03/2008 04:24:57 ‹Nick Logue› Greetings fellow sad gamers.
05/03/2008 04:24:58 ‹Sad Lilith› Howdy Nick! :glomp:
05/03/2008 04:25:04 ‹Nick Logue› Thanks for the hug!
05/03/2008 04:25:06 ‹Nick Logue› I need that.
05/03/2008 04:25:06 ‹The Last Rogue› Hi
05/03/2008 04:25:09 * Gemma quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 04:25:10 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Mom!
05/03/2008 04:25:34 ‹Sad Lilith› Give hugs for your mom from us Nick Logue! :D
05/03/2008 04:25:43 ‹Nick Logue› Ha!  I just told her!  She says "Hello Back Atcha!"
05/03/2008 04:25:48 ‹Turin the Mad› :cookie: and :espresso:
05/03/2008 04:25:48 ‹Nick Logue› Thanks Lilith!
05/03/2008 04:25:54 ‹Nick Logue› Nice!
05/03/2008 04:26:02 ‹Sad Lilith› Yay!
05/03/2008 04:26:16 ‹Madness Follows› Nick's got a mom? I just figure he was banished here.
05/03/2008 04:26:17 ‹Ross› James, what exactly is Leng and what does it have in common with / how is it different from the Far Realm?
05/03/2008 04:26:21 * Sad Lilith gives cookies and flowers to Nick's mom. :cookie: @>-`-,--
05/03/2008 04:26:24 ‹Nick Logue› I'm always in love with James...just so you all know...but I'm even MORE in love with him than usual today.
05/03/2008 04:26:33 ‹Nick Logue› And that's cause of cannibal historians.
05/03/2008 04:26:50 ‹Turin the Mad› Leng and places like it inspired the Far Realms, Ross
05/03/2008 04:27:03 ‹Nick Logue› Thanks James!
05/03/2008 04:27:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Leng was invented by Lovecraft back in the 20s/30s, and expanded upon by several other authors.
05/03/2008 04:27:15 ‹Nick Logue› Madness Follows!:  HA!
05/03/2008 04:27:35 ‹Nick Logue› So what's shaking folks?
05/03/2008 04:27:38 ‹James Jacobs› It's been expanded upon to this day, in fact.
05/03/2008 04:27:40 ‹DMcCoy1693› several other authors ... as in James?
05/03/2008 04:27:41 ‹Ross› Turin the Mad, I know, but I haven't read any Lovecraft myself, so I asked our Lovecraft scholar.
05/03/2008 04:27:51 ‹Nick Logue› Anyone taking over the world?
05/03/2008 04:27:52 * Gemma quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 04:27:53 ‹Turin the Mad› you're missing out on a treat Ross
05/03/2008 04:27:58 ‹Madness Follows› ONly took a summons for Jury Duty to get back on board.
05/03/2008 04:27:59 ‹Sad Lilith› Nick Logue: Of course! ;)
05/03/2008 04:28:02 ‹Nick Logue› Anyone kill a nine headed pyro hydra today?
05/03/2008 04:28:05 ‹Turin the Mad› one obliterated major city at a time Nick
05/03/2008 04:28:13 ‹James Jacobs› Several other authors as in James, Clark Ashton Smith, August Derleth, Ramsey Campbell, Brian Lumley, Stephen King, etc etc
05/03/2008 04:28:13 ‹Nick Logue› Well done Turin!
05/03/2008 04:28:25 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: What :cthulhu: is this of which you speak, Nick Logue, Cannibal historians?  (I have not received any Pathfinders later than #5 here in the UK... <narrows eyes and looks for someone from Paizo customer services>..)
05/03/2008 04:28:27 ‹Turin the Mad› thankyas Sir Logue
05/03/2008 04:28:28 ‹The Last Rogue› I tried to take over the world, until i realized EVERYBODY WANTS TO RULE THE WORLD
05/03/2008 04:28:30 ‹Madness Follows› Why would I waste my time on one world when I can have them ALL!
05/03/2008 04:28:37 ‹James Jacobs› And everyone who's written for the CoC RPG that Chaosium does, of course.
05/03/2008 04:28:40 ‹The Last Rogue› cue New Wave
05/03/2008 04:28:43 ‹Nick Logue› I need to hook James up with The Lies of Locke Lamora...that's good bizness.
05/03/2008 04:28:57 ‹Nick Logue› Of course then he'll know just how many of the good ideas in Edge came from that book! 
04:29:19 ‹James Jacobs› Leng and the Far Realm don't really have all that much in common except that both are not healthy places for sane folk to visit, though.
05/03/2008 04:29:19 ‹Nick Logue› The Cannibal Historians are coming later.  I can't say more.  Or James is likely to cock-punch me.
05/03/2008 04:29:28 ‹Moonlion› So who here is going to go through Appendix N and catch up on anything they've not read before?
05/03/2008 04:29:33 ‹Turin the Mad› ooo ... package-pummelling ...
05/03/2008 04:29:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mmmm... Appendix N...
05/03/2008 04:29:44 ‹Russ› Not me.
05/03/2008 04:29:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nick, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
05/03/2008 04:29:50 ‹Russ› Not in the mood for Lord Dunsany tonight.
05/03/2008 04:29:53 ‹Nick Logue› No way!  That's gross!
05/03/2008 04:29:55 * Madness Follows is playing Cities in Dust by Junkie XL
05/03/2008 04:29:56 ‹James Jacobs› I really REALLY have to get started on reading Vance.
05/03/2008 04:30:02 ‹Nick Logue› You Canadians are INCESTUOUS!
05/03/2008 04:30:07 ‹Turin the Mad› :fishslap:
05/03/2008 04:30:09 ‹Nick Logue› We prudes down south don't kiss our mothers.
05/03/2008 04:30:11 ‹Russ› I need to read the Demon Prices. I've read other Vance.
05/03/2008 04:30:18 ‹Wyvern› Started?!
05/03/2008 04:30:21 ‹Turin the Mad› nawp - we do other things with our moms
05/03/2008 04:30:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› :lol:
05/03/2008 04:30:31 ‹Samwise› read The Worm Ourobouros
05/03/2008 04:30:34 ‹Moonlion› "Daddy says I kiss the best!" -- _National Lampoon's Vacation_.
05/03/2008 04:30:36 ‹Samwise› thatll teach you a lesson!
05/03/2008 04:30:37 ‹James Jacobs› I might have to cock-punch you just on general principles, Nick. Just so you know.
05/03/2008 04:30:45 ‹Russ› How are his other 3? I have all four on my shelf
05/03/2008 04:30:51 * Sad Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith
05/03/2008 04:30:53 ‹Atrocious› James: I've always felt that the various gods of magic in D&D have been somewhat bland and uninteresting (and I'm not hard to please, believe me!), and I'm sort of getting the same vibe with Nethys. How is he different/interesting with respect to all other gods of magic, and how is he an interesting choice as a deity when compared to the other Golarion deities? Will we see an AP writeup of him?
05/03/2008 04:31:33 ‹Nick Logue› Well, as long as its just on general principle its okay.  Random cock-punching is sort of comforting - upholds my firm belief in chaos.
05/03/2008 04:31:34 ‹Moonlion› AP?
05/03/2008 04:31:38 * Russ prefers no gods of magic, and making all the wizards godless :)
05/03/2008 04:31:39 ‹Moonlion› Associated Press?
05/03/2008 04:31:52 ‹Nick Logue› I just don't like it when my cock gets punched for a specific reason...that freaks me out.
05/03/2008 04:31:53 ‹Takasi in Black› anyone going to watch, or has already tried I guess, New Amsterdam?
05/03/2008 04:31:54 ‹Atrocious› adventure path
05/03/2008 04:32:09 ‹James Jacobs› Eventually you'll see an AP writeup of Nethys. The main thing that's his big interesting hook is that he kind of has a split-personality disorder. He's all about destruction and creation, free knowledge and secrets, protection and assault.
05/03/2008 04:32:12 ‹Moonlion› Ah.
05/03/2008 04:32:28 ‹Turin the Mad› schizoid gawds, gotta luv 'em
05/03/2008 04:32:31 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, so he's Tzeench?
05/03/2008 04:32:37 ‹Somber Pygon› sounds kinda fickle
05/03/2008 04:32:48 ‹Ross› Only less with the murder.
05/03/2008 04:32:53 ‹James Jacobs› He's generally depicted as a human wizard who's had half of his body blasted and warped and ruined and destroyed by magic, and it's constantly trying to reform and be normal again but it never quite catches up.
05/03/2008 04:32:58 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: So when Nethys is in a manic state, wild magic surge? :P
05/03/2008 04:33:11 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe!
05/03/2008 04:33:19 ‹DMcCoy1693› split personality god .... hmmmm maybe I can talk my DM into letting me play a wizard with split personality
05/03/2008 04:33:20 ‹Moonlion› Wild magic? Is that spell plague talk you're talking?
05/03/2008 04:33:21 ‹Hill Giant› Does he make decisions by flipping a coin?
05/03/2008 04:33:36 ‹Sir Wulf› So he represents the creative and destructive aspects of magic.
05/03/2008 04:33:50 ‹Ross› Moonlion, gah! Keep it off! Keep it off!
05/03/2008 04:33:53 ‹Turin the Mad› wild magic - really, really random mana fluctuations - like, say, your fireball goes in and ... sprays flowers all over the area
05/03/2008 04:33:53 ‹Takasi in Black› James, can you describe the process of apotheosis (divine ascension) in Golarion?
05/03/2008 04:34:08 ‹Madness Follows› Spell Plague.... what an interesting idea.
05/03/2008 04:34:14 ‹Atrocious› Awesome James, I can't wait for Gods & Magic...
05/03/2008 04:34:35 ‹Nick Logue› I WANT ME SOME GODS AND MAGIC!
05/03/2008 04:34:48 ‹Samwise› Agent of Chaos upholds my belief in chaos ;)
05/03/2008 04:34:52 ‹Turin the Mad› gawds plus magic = random cannibal offspring
05/03/2008 04:34:52 ‹Madness Follows› OMEN!
05/03/2008 04:34:56 ‹James Jacobs› Apotheosis can happen a lot of different ways in Golarion. The most famous method, of course, is to take the Starstone test in Absalom. You go in, get tested, and if you come out, you come out a living god.
05/03/2008 04:35:08 ‹Turin the Mad› oh?
05/03/2008 04:35:14 ‹Somber Pygon› and if you fail?
05/03/2008 04:35:16 ‹Turin the Mad› I see a worldwalk in the wings
05/03/2008 04:35:21 ‹Sir Wulf› Sounds convenient.
05/03/2008 04:35:21 ‹Takasi in Black› is Starstone related to Starmetal?
05/03/2008 04:35:24 ‹James Jacobs› If you fail, you become nothing.
05/03/2008 04:35:33 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, from what I read of the Startstone, which is admittedly limited, made it sound like only humans could use the Starstone.
05/03/2008 04:35:35 ‹James Jacobs› As in, if you fail, you don't come out at all.
05/03/2008 04:35:41 ‹Somber Pygon› no regrets then :)
05/03/2008 04:35:45 ‹Wyvern› If you fail everyone points and laughs at you.
05/03/2008 04:35:49 ‹Somber Pygon› oh, that might be worse.
05/03/2008 04:36:12 ‹James Jacobs› So far, the only three who have become ascended via the Starstone are Norgorber, Iomedae, and Cayden Cailean (who did so accidentally while drunk).
05/03/2008 04:36:13 ‹Turin the Mad› cosmic humiliation
05/03/2008 04:36:19 ‹Turin the Mad› lol
05/03/2008 04:36:40 ‹Ross› Hah! He must be a mighty good drunk.
05/03/2008 04:36:54 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect anything that can enter and pass the test can become a god. Human, elf, goblin, snake, pegasus, pterodactyl, ant, marilith, or whatever.
05/03/2008 04:36:54 ‹Ross› Which makes sense. He is the GOD of drunks.
05/03/2008 04:36:59 ‹Turin the Mad› he come out the patron gawd of whinos?
05/03/2008 04:37:19 ‹Turin the Mad› hrm ... I must have missed that one - what is this described in?
05/03/2008 04:37:31 ‹James Jacobs› So far... the paizo blog
05/03/2008 04:37:45 ‹Ross› And the death of Aroden thread!
05/03/2008 04:37:58 ‹Turin the Mad› hrm ... fascinating
05/03/2008 04:37:59 ‹James Jacobs› We've got more info about all our gods in the upcoming gazetteer... then more still in the hardcover... and then more STILL in the 64-page Gods and Magic book.
05/03/2008 04:38:02 ‹Turin the Mad› and abft
05/03/2008 04:38:11 ‹Lilith› Yay!
05/03/2008 04:38:35 ‹Atrocious› Well, if Cayden Cailean is the god of drunks, who is the god of fools? (because we all know the gods look out for drunks and fools)
05/03/2008 04:38:43 ‹Madness Follows› Jimmy J, you're making my wallet hurt
05/03/2008 04:39:01 ‹James Jacobs› That's because I HATE your wallet! TAKE THAT!!! :whipit:
05/03/2008 04:39:23 * Gavgoyle joins Main
05/03/2008 04:39:30 ‹Lilith› Gavgoyle! :glomp:
05/03/2008 04:39:37 ‹Madness Follows› =;
05/03/2008 04:39:46 ‹James Jacobs› We don't really have a god of fools yet. OR: Put another way... the god of fools is the one that your church thinks is stoopid.
05/03/2008 04:39:46 ‹Gavgoyle› Greetings and salivations!
05/03/2008 04:39:55 ‹Madness Follows› I deflect your hate!
05/03/2008 04:40:02 ‹Blazej› I ... think I love Cayden Cailean.
05/03/2008 04:40:09 ‹James Jacobs› He's single!
05/03/2008 04:40:10 ‹James Jacobs› For now!
05/03/2008 04:40:18 ‹James Jacobs› He's been after Calistria for a bit, but she's playing hard to get.
05/03/2008 04:40:18 ‹Koldoon› hey, be nice to the wallets... I mean... um, well, I can't complain, since my husband is paying for all the pathfinder stuff!
05/03/2008 04:40:29 * Charles Evans has to step out for a moment to deal with Page File overload... back shortly.
05/03/2008 04:40:29 ‹Gavgoyle› what is the haps?
05/03/2008 04:40:30 ‹Blazej› More of an admiration love.
05/03/2008 04:40:48 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 04:41:12 ‹DMcCoy1693› alright guys, time for bed for me, good night all
05/03/2008 04:41:18 ‹Somber Pygon› good night
05/03/2008 04:41:19 ‹Turin the Mad› good night all, great to have seen everyone - have fun or explode next to what frags you
05/03/2008 04:41:20 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya!
05/03/2008 04:41:24 ‹Lilith› Night DMcCoy1693! :glomp:
05/03/2008 04:41:26 ‹Somber Pygon› bye Turin
05/03/2008 04:41:31 ‹Nick Logue› G
05/03/2008 04:41:34 ‹Turin the Mad› o/ Pygon
05/03/2008 04:41:34 ‹Nick Logue› G'night rather!
05/03/2008 04:41:36 ‹Blazej› Night!
05/03/2008 04:41:41 ‹Blazej› H!
05/03/2008 04:41:41 ‹Turin the Mad› ^^
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05/03/2008 04:41:45 ‹Atrocious› I'm guessing Lamashtu is the god of fools, I mean who wants a lovebaby from the movie "Alien"?
05/03/2008 04:42:02 ‹James Jacobs› Alien IS a pretty popular movie...
05/03/2008 04:42:17 ‹Takasi in Black› Aliens is better :P
05/03/2008 04:42:19 ‹James Jacobs› Personally... I'd nominate Torag as the god of fools. Cause he's the most like a dwarf of the 20.
05/03/2008 04:42:36 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> That, I suspect, is the core of our disconnects! :)
05/03/2008 04:42:37 ‹Ross› Hey! Dwarves aren't fools!
05/03/2008 04:42:43 ‹Hill Giant› "Hello, my baby! Hello, my darling..."
05/03/2008 04:42:47 ‹Takasi in Black› Game over man!  Game over!
05/03/2008 04:42:48 ‹James Jacobs› ALIEN = A-NUMBER-ONE!
05/03/2008 04:42:52 ‹Gavgoyle› lol, Hill Giant
05/03/2008 04:43:05 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
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05/03/2008 04:43:23 ‹James Jacobs› Dwarves ARE fools. They have long beards and love working in forges. That's like a projectionist who insists on wearing a long floppy tie. It's ASKING for a job-related accident.
05/03/2008 04:43:32 ‹Gavgoyle› Yeah, Alien=horror movie; Aliens=war movie (at least, more closely)
05/03/2008 04:43:44 ‹Takasi in Black› Alien 3 was suppose to be a massive invasion of Aliens, but then Sigorney Weaver became an anti-gun nut and forced the prison plot
05/03/2008 04:43:57 ‹James Jacobs› Alien 3 had a lot of problems from the start.
05/03/2008 04:44:16 * Turin the Mad quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 04:44:57 ‹Takasi in Black› They come out at night, mostly
05/03/2008 04:45:06 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 04:45:12 ‹Takasi in Black› Aliens is a better b-rate flick
05/03/2008 04:45:33 ‹James Jacobs› Don't get me wrong, Aliens is a GREAT movie. It's more or less firmly entrenched in my "Top 25 movies of all time" list.
05/03/2008 04:45:46 ‹James Jacobs› Alien, on the other hand, is more or less entrenched in my "Top 1 movies of all time" list.
05/03/2008 04:45:56 ‹Somber Pygon› for some reason I liked it more after it was released to video.  Then again I was getting heavy into DnD at that time too...  sadly I only watch the DvDs with the commentaries one anymore for some reason.
05/03/2008 04:46:09 ‹Somber Pygon› *on
05/03/2008 04:46:18 * Sir Wulf joins Main
05/03/2008 04:46:29 * Sir Wulf wanders back in
05/03/2008 04:46:53 ‹Wyvern› Hmm.. So, James. Can you mention a few highlights of this morning's debriefing?
05/03/2008 04:47:00 ‹Takasi in Black› Aliens is much more defining of the genre and IMO more influential on gamer culture
05/03/2008 04:47:45 ‹Gavgoyle› well, it has more quotable lines...
05/03/2008 04:48:07 ‹Somber Pygon› "Two are alive, the rest are dead...."
05/03/2008 04:48:18 ‹Nick Logue› G'night everyone!  Time to hang with my fam!
05/03/2008 04:48:21 ‹Sir Wulf› Dwarves are not fools:  They soak their beards in aromatic liquids prior to working with metal.  The heat releases pleasant fragrances...
05/03/2008 04:48:23 ‹Nick Logue› I never get to do that.
05/03/2008 04:48:24 ‹Somber Pygon› gnite Nick!
05/03/2008 04:48:25 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Nick!
05/03/2008 04:48:25 ‹Madness Follows› Wyvern's in 1st and James Jacobs is coming in last
05/03/2008 04:48:30 ‹Nick Logue› I'm usually busy killing babies and eatin em.
05/03/2008 04:48:37 ‹Nick Logue› Have a good night folks!
05/03/2008 04:48:40 ‹Sir Wulf› G'night, Nick!
05/03/2008 04:48:41 ‹Takasi in Black› good night Nick
05/03/2008 04:48:58 ‹Madness Follows› bye Nick!!
05/03/2008 04:48:59 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> The official D&D XP debriefing happens tomorrow morning, actually. This morning's was an unofficial Jason Bulmahn info dump.
05/03/2008 04:49:02 * Nick Logue quit
05/03/2008 04:49:06 * Dave Boreanaz joins Main
05/03/2008 04:49:09 ‹James Jacobs› And: I can't really talk about that stuff right now anyway.
05/03/2008 04:49:12 ‹Takasi in Black› is the office going to see 10,000 BC this weekend?
05/03/2008 04:49:17 ‹Lilith› Dave Boreanaz? Oh?
05/03/2008 04:49:20 ‹Wyvern› No prob. Just asking.
05/03/2008 04:49:29 * Lilith licks Dave Boreanaz...just to be sure...:lick:
05/03/2008 04:49:33 ‹Koldoon› have a nice night everyone... it's time for me to walk puppies and head to bed.
05/03/2008 04:49:34 * Daigle finally gets off the phone.
05/03/2008 04:49:35 ‹Dave Boreanaz› :)
05/03/2008 04:49:40 ‹Koldoon› night Adam
05/03/2008 04:49:45 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Koldoon
05/03/2008 04:49:49 ‹Daigle› Sorry to have missed you
05/03/2008 04:49:52 ‹Lilith› Night Koldoon!
05/03/2008 04:49:52 ‹Daigle› :(
05/03/2008 04:49:55 ‹Gavgoyle› Night Koldoon
05/03/2008 04:50:01 ‹Gavgoyle› Hey Daigle!!
05/03/2008 04:50:03 ‹Koldoon› 'tis okay... we'll talk later this week. 
05/03/2008 04:50:10 ‹Gavgoyle› I'll be down in Austin tomorrow night!
05/03/2008 04:50:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'll likely go see 10,000 BC, yeah. I'm going in there expecting to be insulted, aggravated, and disappointed by the botched job of what could have been a great movie.
05/03/2008 04:50:21 * Koldoon quit
05/03/2008 04:50:23 ‹Somber Pygon› oh, theacemu wanted to pass around hugs and handshakes tonite, regretting he couldn't be here
05/03/2008 04:50:25 * Charles Evans joins Main
05/03/2008 04:50:30 ‹Takasi in Black› watch Godzilla before you go to see it :P
05/03/2008 04:50:35 ‹Daigle› Hey Gav!
05/03/2008 04:50:45 ‹Daigle› I heard you were lookin' for me earlier
05/03/2008 04:50:54 ‹Daigle› Oh..I just read up
05/03/2008 04:50:56 ‹Sir Wulf› You'll never be disappointed if you just lower your standards enough.
05/03/2008 04:51:07 ‹Daigle› Awesome...what are you going to be up to and when will you be here?
05/03/2008 04:51:11 ‹James Jacobs› I'm never, ever going to watch their version of Godzilla again. I'd rather eat glass.
05/03/2008 04:51:12 ‹Gavgoyle› I'm gonna go see They Might Be Giants at Stubbs
05/03/2008 04:51:14 ‹Takasi in Black› James, has Jason read any threads in response to his 'interview' posted at EN World?
05/03/2008 04:51:27 * Kevin T. joins Main
05/03/2008 04:51:29 ‹Daigle› Ooh...I had a chance to go to that show.
05/03/2008 04:51:34 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs: Have you seen Godzilla Ultimate Wars?
05/03/2008 04:51:37 * Kevin T. starts to cry
05/03/2008 04:51:39 ‹James Jacobs› Jason has. He spent a few hours today getting all caught up.
05/03/2008 04:51:42 ‹Kevin T.› Gary...Gygax...dead
05/03/2008 04:51:42 ‹James Jacobs› Godzilla Final War?
05/03/2008 04:51:43 ‹Takasi in Black› I posted one at EN World and Mike Mearls responded about the black dragon fight
05/03/2008 04:51:59 ‹Hill Giant› something like that
05/03/2008 04:52:05 ‹Gavgoyle› They still may have some tix open. I think it's $24 at the door
05/03/2008 04:52:21 ‹Takasi in Black› last Kaiju in Golarion?
05/03/2008 04:52:24 ‹Gavgoyle› Yeah, Kevin.  It's a sucky day.
05/03/2008 04:52:27 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Would the Varisians use the Sihedron rune and the sin runes in their fortunetelling?
05/03/2008 04:52:28 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Saw it in the theater. THAT was actually a Paizo outing, in fact. AND: Have it on DVD. It's great!
05/03/2008 04:52:32 ‹Daigle› I have some friends going...I'll mull it over tomorrow.  It might be big fun, Gav.
05/03/2008 04:52:35 ‹Kevin T.› Yeah. I just found out
05/03/2008 04:52:47 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Nope. They wouldn't. Those runes are bad luck.
05/03/2008 04:52:48 ‹Kevin T.› Going to see if his funeral will be "open" if so I think I'll pay my respects
05/03/2008 04:53:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... no more Gygax. :(
05/03/2008 04:53:13 ‹Daigle› James, I actually have a few questions tonight instead of simple jackassery.
05/03/2008 04:53:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: So what would the do for good luck?
05/03/2008 04:53:21 ‹Dave Boreanaz› I kept looking for something on the news, but I didn't see anything
05/03/2008 04:53:36 ‹Russ› Think of how nice it would be to have so many people sad when you die, though. It isn't entirely a bad day, it is a day to think of how many lives were changed.
05/03/2008 04:53:45 ‹Daigle› Has there been any more reveal on cyphermages anywhere?  Are they a single organization or more of a shade of wizards?
05/03/2008 04:53:50 ‹Lilith› Dave Boreanaz: http://news.google.com/news?q=...&tab=wn
05/03/2008 04:54:12 ‹Lilith› And he passed on Gamemaster Day...ironic, but appropriate
05/03/2008 04:54:14 ‹Madness Follows› Diagle, your jackassery is NEVER simple
05/03/2008 04:54:28 ‹Takasi in Black› James Jacobs, for the record before the announcement I'm assuming we'll see this week, I think you guys are going to stick with 3.5 at least until the end of the year
05/03/2008 04:54:30 ‹Daigle› Thanks Madness, that's encouraging.
05/03/2008 04:54:31 ‹Dave Boreanaz› Thank you Lilith..  I was looking for it on the evening TV news
05/03/2008 04:54:36 ‹Takasi in Black› throwing it out there so I can say "I knew it!" :P
05/03/2008 04:54:44 * Mothman joins Main
05/03/2008 04:54:45 ‹Gavgoyle› NPR had a nice little interview with the head of TrollLord this afternoon.
05/03/2008 04:54:46 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Hmmm... good question. Amber's Varisian article might mention something about it... I can't remember off the top of my head, thoguh.
05/03/2008 04:54:48 ‹Lilith› Dave Boreanaz: I'd be mighty surprised if it did show up
05/03/2008 04:55:00 ‹Gavgoyle› Just recounting Gary's influences
05/03/2008 04:55:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Must have it, my precious...which PF is the article in?
05/03/2008 04:55:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy Moth!!
05/03/2008 04:55:06 ‹Moonlion› I predict: Paizo splits and does both 4 and 3.5 in every book.
05/03/2008 04:55:11 ‹Gavgoyle› yo, Moth!
05/03/2008 04:55:14 ‹Dave Boreanaz› Well, speaking of Jackassery, time to end mine
05/03/2008 04:55:16 ‹Charles Evans› Regarding Gary Gygax, I have concerns that once the funeral is over, his name may be used by various organisations each trying (in an undignified manner) to calim that they are his 'true heirs'....
05/03/2008 04:55:19 * Dave Boreanaz changes his/her nickname to Watcher
05/03/2008 04:55:26 ‹Charles Evans› :(
05/03/2008 04:55:27 ‹Mothman› Hey Daigle - I almost forgot the chat! Hanging out in Heathy's game....
05/03/2008 04:55:48 ‹Mothman› Hey Gav
05/03/2008 04:55:54 ‹Russ› I don't think you can lay the fiasco that was Alien3 soley on the actress.
05/03/2008 04:56:06 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Pathfinder 7.,
05/03/2008 04:56:11 ‹James Jacobs› The one going out THIS VERY WEEK!
05/03/2008 04:56:19 ‹Russ› Gibson's original script was crap too. Alien transformation as a virus? Idiot.
05/03/2008 04:56:27 ‹Takasi in Black› new documentary on tonight called "Birth of a Civilization", interesting
05/03/2008 04:56:55 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> We haven't put out much more info at all yet about Cyphermages.
05/03/2008 04:56:59 ‹Takasi in Black› was Aliens vs Predator Requiem any good?  I haven't seen it yet
05/03/2008 04:57:21 ‹Kevin T.› Don't know Takasi but Vantage Point was good
05/03/2008 04:57:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Swwwwwwwwwwwwet!
05/03/2008 04:57:41 ‹Daigle› James, that's what I figured, thank you, however.
05/03/2008 04:57:42 ‹Lilith› eet
05/03/2008 04:57:49 ‹Takasi in Black› my players are impatiently waiting for me to get PF7 in my hot little hands
05/03/2008 04:57:52 ‹Mothman› Takasi - haven't seen AVPR, but my brother reckoned it was good
05/03/2008 04:57:57 ‹Watcher› Guide to Korsova in the Warehouse
05/03/2008 04:57:57 ‹Takasi in Black› Guide to Korvosa's coming out too right?
05/03/2008 04:58:08 ‹Watcher› look at that  :)
05/03/2008 04:58:13 ‹Takasi in Black› :)
05/03/2008 04:58:20 ‹James Jacobs› The Alien 3 fiasco was sort of a perfect storm of errors. And then Alien Resurrection comes along and makes Alien 3 look brilliant!
05/03/2008 04:58:21 ‹Watcher› psychic
05/03/2008 04:58:40 ‹Somber Pygon› you didn't like the monkey skull alien?
05/03/2008 04:58:45 ‹Takasi in Black› I've erased that movie from my memory
05/03/2008 04:58:45 ‹Sir Wulf› ditto
05/03/2008 04:58:52 ‹Lilith› In my next Paizo order, it's like a DIY for Curse of the Crimson Throne - PF #7, Guide to Korvosa AND the Harrow Deck! :excite:
05/03/2008 04:59:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› I've never seen any of the Alien movies.
05/03/2008 04:59:13 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: In time for Paizocon?#
05/03/2008 04:59:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; Pathfinder 7, Guide to Korvosa, Player's Guide to CotCT, and Harrow are all going out this week I suspect.
05/03/2008 04:59:27 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: Quite! I needs to practice for my harrow readings.
05/03/2008 04:59:37 ‹Takasi in Black› will we get a pdf of the harrow deck?
05/03/2008 04:59:40 ‹Mothman› Oh Scribe, you NEED to see Alien and Aliens
05/03/2008 04:59:41 ‹Gavgoyle› Takasi, Yeah, I'm that way with Highlander 2... Which I went out to see on opening night.
05/03/2008 04:59:43 ‹Russ› Eh, Resurrection was fun-bad at least
05/03/2008 04:59:55 ‹Lilith› Gavgoyle: There should have been only one (highlander movie)
05/03/2008 05:00:01 ‹Russ› Highlander 2 makes Alien 2 look like Alien
05/03/2008 05:00:02 * Duicarthan joins Main
05/03/2008 05:00:09 ‹James Jacobs› No PDF of the Harrow deck. That's like getting a PDF of a magic expansion or a tarot deck. Defeats the purpose.
05/03/2008 05:00:09 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Will Harrow be before or after PF7?
05/03/2008 05:00:14 ‹Russ› Er Alien 3 look like Alien
05/03/2008 05:00:15 ‹Daigle› Rick, what's shakin'?
05/03/2008 05:00:18 ‹Gavgoyle› A-freakin'-men, Lilith!
05/03/2008 05:00:32 ‹Charles Evans› Highlander 2 might have been interestingas a sort of 'pulp sicence fiction'  if the other Highlander movies hadn't been made
05/03/2008 05:00:36 ‹Takasi in Black› in defense of a Harrow PDF, some people might want the pictures to use for online games
05/03/2008 05:00:36 ‹James Jacobs› Harrow should be simultaneous to PF7's release.
05/03/2008 05:00:37 ‹Lilith› Duicarthan!!!!!!!! Long time no see! :glomp:
05/03/2008 05:00:39 ‹Duicarthan› Daigle> reading sad news as my allergies kick my rear end
05/03/2008 05:00:55 ‹Russ› Of course, I rank Return of the Jedi as an ass-tastic sequel too
05/03/2008 05:00:55 * Ross wanders off to get a sandwich.
05/03/2008 05:01:00 ‹Daigle› That's no good
05/03/2008 05:01:01 ‹James Jacobs› Those people can go ahead and scan the cards, then. We don't do PDFs of our card products.
05/03/2008 05:01:03 ‹Gavgoyle› Hey Duicarthan 
05:01:09 ‹Rambling Scribe›  So if I change my settings to "ship with pathfinder" I'll get Harrow sooner... probably.
05/03/2008 05:01:25 ‹James Jacobs› AND: If they scan the cards... they'd better keep those images in their home game and off the internets. Otherwise I'll be sad.
05/03/2008 05:01:33 ‹Watcher› Russ, I agree. too many muppets
05/03/2008 05:01:39 * Ross changes his/her nickname to Ross @ kitchen
05/03/2008 05:02:16 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: No Erik Moan tonight?
05/03/2008 05:02:17 ‹James Jacobs› Rambling Scribe>I suppose... I don't really understand how our store works, though. That's stuff that happens OUTSIDE of the Editorial Pit.
05/03/2008 05:02:22 ‹Charles Evans› Mona, even.
05/03/2008 05:02:25 ‹Madness Follows› NO!!
05/03/2008 05:02:35 ‹Takasi in Black› "...and Leia...is your sister! "  "That's not true, that's....improbable?"
05/03/2008 05:02:35 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; he's probably playing Mass Effect.
05/03/2008 05:02:46 ‹Madness Follows› There are never to many Muppets.
05/03/2008 05:03:06 ‹James Jacobs› He might show up in a bit though. He's unpredictible, like a burning rat in a maze made of matches.
05/03/2008 05:03:11 ‹Gavgoyle› "she's your sister AND she's slipped you some tongue..."
05/03/2008 05:03:18 ‹Russ› Have y'all seen George Lucas in Love? :)
05/03/2008 05:03:18 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure what that last metaphor was all about, btw...
05/03/2008 05:03:31 * Lilith giggles at James Jacobs, gives him cookies and beer. :cookie: :beer:
05/03/2008 05:03:58 ‹Gavgoyle› I don't know, but it's interesting imagery...
05/03/2008 05:04:00 ‹Madness Follows› George Lucas in Love = Awesome!
05/03/2008 05:04:02 ‹Russ› Erik is in the famed Greyhawk Mafia shot
05/03/2008 05:04:04 ‹Charles Evans› So, James Jacobs: Do you have any questions for us, before you interrogate Jacon Buhlman, or regarding any other business?  And regarding Erik Mona aren't you worried about that cmment showing up in the transcripts?:)
05/03/2008 05:04:14 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, you can't react at all to the recent Edition stuff?
05/03/2008 05:04:21 ‹Sir Wulf› George Lucas in love should be required watching for Star Wars fans.
05/03/2008 05:04:30 ‹Russ› http://melkot.com/gencon2001.html - the Greyhawk Mafia (scroll down for the EGG man)
05/03/2008 05:04:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Is the burning rat in the maze of matches an encounter from Logue's next adventure?
05/03/2008 05:04:39 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> What comment? The burning maze one? nah.
05/03/2008 05:04:44 ‹Samwise› the picture of doom!
05/03/2008 05:04:45 ‹Lilith› Watcher: He probably could, but it could be construed as making an official statement.
05/03/2008 05:05:14 * Ross @ kitchen changes his/her nickname to Ross
05/03/2008 05:05:16 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Nope, I don't really have much to say about 4E yet at all. Hopefully we'll have some news in a few weeks though. Or maybe sooner. <crosses fingers>
05/03/2008 05:05:20 ‹Daigle› James, one more quickie:  What areas near Sandpoint have the higest concentration of elves?
05/03/2008 05:05:28 ‹Gavgoyle› LOL, Eric looks so young in that picture
05/03/2008 05:05:41 ‹Russ› It was only 6 years ago! :)
05/03/2008 05:05:50 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> The biggest elf-concentration to Sandpoint is the Mierani Forest to the north.
05/03/2008 05:05:57 ‹Gavgoyle› I know, the publishing biz is a bitch!
05/03/2008 05:06:10 ‹Daigle› Now isn't that city deserted or something?
05/03/2008 05:06:11 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I can't get any work done at my office either because of that crummy Edition. I wish they'd just be done with it
05/03/2008 05:06:14 ‹James Jacobs› Actually, the village of Crying Leaf (not shown on the map) is closer than the Mierani Forest... but not by much.
05/03/2008 05:06:24 ‹James Jacobs› The forest isn't. Celwynvian's the city, and it is deserted.
05/03/2008 05:06:29 ‹Daigle› Where is Crying Leaf?
05/03/2008 05:06:33 ‹Daigle› Ah
05/03/2008 05:06:39 ‹Daigle› Awesome, thanks.
05/03/2008 05:06:48 ‹James Jacobs› They'll be a lot more info about Ceywynvian, the Mierani, and probably Crying Leaf in Pathfinder 15.
05/03/2008 05:07:06 ‹Daigle› I'm starting Runelords Sunday and I'm trying to get solid info for my players.
05/03/2008 05:07:06 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Questions for US?
05/03/2008 05:07:09 ‹James Jacobs› Crying Leaf's probably on the southeastern edge of the Mierani Forest.
05/03/2008 05:07:31 ‹Daigle› What can you tell us about Crying Leaf?
05/03/2008 05:07:43 ‹Sir Wulf› By then, WotC will have finally settled the details of their license...
05/03/2008 05:07:49 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Are there more awesome products on the way
05/03/2008 05:07:50 ‹Lilith› ?
05/03/2008 05:07:51 ‹James Jacobs› No questions I can think of yet...
05/03/2008 05:07:55 * Kevin T. quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 05:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes.
05/03/2008 05:08:16 ‹Wyvern› The minis are looking good.
05/03/2008 05:08:18 ‹James Jacobs› There are some awesome products on the way. Including some cool ones we haven't yet announced, of course!
05/03/2008 05:08:19 ‹Lilith› Eeeeeeexcellent. :plot:
05/03/2008 05:08:28 ‹Lilith› When's the next announcement due?
05/03/2008 05:08:32 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> There's a little bit about Crying Leaf in Pathfinder 3. It's where Shalelu's from.
05/03/2008 05:08:45 ‹Mothman› Hey Daigle, I'm playing an elf from Mierani in RotRL, if you want to jam at some point ... I made most of the background stuff up of course...
05/03/2008 05:08:52 ‹James Jacobs› Crying Leaf has a history of green dragon problems.
05/03/2008 05:08:56 ‹Takasi in Black› Shalelu is now an orc IMC
05/03/2008 05:09:00 ‹Daigle› Awesome
05/03/2008 05:09:12 ‹Charles Evans› Takasi: Reincarnate?
05/03/2008 05:09:15 ‹Takasi in Black› yes
05/03/2008 05:09:18 ‹Daigle› Moth, we'll have to chat sometime soon.
05/03/2008 05:09:29 ‹James Jacobs› The minis are looking awesome! I just recently saw the final paints of Xanesha and the Scarecrow and the rest from Skinsaw. SO COOL!
05/03/2008 05:09:33 ‹Daigle› Thanks James
05/03/2008 05:09:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Awesome!
05/03/2008 05:10:00 ‹Gavgoyle› Yeah, Skinsaw man looked just like the psycho!  Freaky-licious!!!
05/03/2008 05:10:01 ‹Wyvern› I was afraid they were going to be unpainted, but now I'm onboard!
05/03/2008 05:10:09 ‹James Jacobs› That happened to Avner Merivanchi in my Savage Tide game. He was torn apart by deinonychuses and then reincarnated into a half orc. He retained the mustache.
05/03/2008 05:10:29 ‹James Jacobs› Next anouncement of new products  is not yet scheduled.
05/03/2008 05:11:02 ‹Ross› Wyvern, they are unpainted.
05/03/2008 05:11:03 ‹Madness Follows› Wyvern, they are Unpainted. Jimmy J was refering to the pics in the online store
05/03/2008 05:11:13 ‹Wyvern› :(
05/03/2008 05:11:15 ‹Watcher› I wish I knew how to paint
05/03/2008 05:11:19 ‹Takasi in Black› my players hated Avner, they would have enjoyed seeing that
05/03/2008 05:11:27 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: do you anticipate Wizards of the Coast trying to 'steal' freelance writers from Paizo and lock them with 'golden handcuffs' agreements to write exclusively 4E adventures for them?
05/03/2008 05:11:51 ‹Wyvern› Why show it awesomely painted, when you are getting a grey one? ...I know I know, but still...
05/03/2008 05:11:53 ‹Charles Evans› I understand freelance writers have to go with whoever offers them money...
05/03/2008 05:12:30 ‹Madness Follows› Pay to have them painted. I'm planning on getting the Paizo Gobbos for a Ork Boyz Mordheim Warband.
05/03/2008 05:12:31 ‹Mothman› James: I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned yet tonight, but that Sajan background is awesome! But I noticed Mike did the write up for the blog – did you not write that background?
05/03/2008 05:12:36 ‹James Jacobs› Moonlion here may have had something to do with turning poor Avner into a half orc, actually...
05/03/2008 05:12:50 ‹Daigle› Charles, many freelancers prefer to write for folks they really care about, money aside.
05/03/2008 05:12:52 ‹Moonlion› I might have, at that.
05/03/2008 05:12:54 ‹Takasi in Black› James Jacobs, do you think the passing of Gary Gygax might have any emotional sway on Paizo's decision on the 4e issue?
05/03/2008 05:12:58 ‹Duicarthan› Ed Healy and I wrote an article for Pathfinder #8—Curse of the Crimson Throne Chapter 2: "Seven Days to the Grave" too. Fun stuff =)
05/03/2008 05:13:04 ‹Watcher› Does anyone know of a good "how to" guide for painting mini's?
05/03/2008 05:13:15 ‹Lilith› Watcher: There's a couple sites out there
05/03/2008 05:13:19 ‹Moonlion› The primary concern of freelancers, professional ones anyway, is going with companies who A) pay and B) pay on time.
05/03/2008 05:13:20 ‹Ross› Watcher, dig around. Reaper has a series. So does GW.
05/03/2008 05:13:31 ‹Watcher› <nod>
05/03/2008 05:13:31 ‹Moonlion› This is a bigger concern than you may think.
05/03/2008 05:13:36 * Watcher makes a note
05/03/2008 05:13:39 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I couldn't say. That'd be a choice each freelancer'd have to make for him or herself, though. WotC's a GREAT company to freelance for. Because they're the only show in town who actually does advance payments.
05/03/2008 05:14:00 ‹James Jacobs› A freelancer could do a lot worse than tie himself to WotC, I think.\
05/03/2008 05:14:15 * Russ will keep his day job
05/03/2008 05:14:21 * Daigle laughs
05/03/2008 05:14:38 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Nope; I didn't write the background for Sajan. Mike did it all. And did it well.
05/03/2008 05:14:47 ‹Madness Follows› Wyvern I'd suggest checking out:                    www.theminiaturespage.com
05/03/2008 05:15:12 ‹James Jacobs› I didn't have time to write him up, nor did I know what to write about. We've got the sketch for the next one, the human female barbarian, and I've got her story ALL worked out in my head. But that monk was vexing me.
05/03/2008 05:15:16 ‹Russ› Learn to drybrush and wash.
05/03/2008 05:15:19 ‹Russ› That's my advice.
05/03/2008 05:15:43 ‹Lilith› And avoid pure whites and pure blacks except for highlights
05/03/2008 05:15:47 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Gary's passing won't affect our decision regarding 4E.
05/03/2008 05:15:53 ‹Ross› And basecoating!
05/03/2008 05:15:53 ‹Wyvern› My day doesn't have enough hours for that :(
05/03/2008 05:16:00 ‹Wyvern› I wish I didn't need sleep.
05/03/2008 05:16:07 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is it much of a concern for you at Paizo; that WotC may prevent some of the best writers currently on your books from working for you, by paying them to come and work exclusively on 4E projects?
05/03/2008 05:16:30 ‹Sir Wulf› My mini advice: Exaggerate the contrasts:  People will see the mini from a couple of feet away.
05/03/2008 05:16:40 ‹James Jacobs› Russ has it about right: if you want to freelance for an RPG company... you'd BETTER keep that day job.
05/03/2008 05:16:53 * Stegger joins Main
05/03/2008 05:17:06 ‹Somber Pygon› hi Stegger
05/03/2008 05:17:09 * Takasi in Black waits for Superstar the Sequel: The Search for Russ's NEW Day Job :P
05/03/2008 05:17:13 ‹Mothman› James: Tell Mike he did an awesome job!
05/03/2008 05:17:20 ‹Stegger› morning
05/03/2008 05:17:26 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Already done! :)
05/03/2008 05:17:30 ‹Russ› Heh
05/03/2008 05:17:37 ‹Takasi in Black› James Jacobs, will Vundra have different gods?
05/03/2008 05:17:48 ‹Russ› They've already dissed me for writing, Takasi, so I think there's not much danger of me freelancing for Paizo any time soon
05/03/2008 05:17:58 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's something of a concern, yes. It's a small market, this RPG biz, and WotC can certainly afford to pay more than us for freelancing work.
05/03/2008 05:18:05 * Madness Follows shakes his head. "James Jacobs is still in last place."
05/03/2008 05:18:13 ‹Takasi in Black› any based on any read Hindu gods?   How do you feel about using gods that are still worshipped today?
05/03/2008 05:18:27 ‹James Jacobs› But that's been the case since I started here at Paizo, and we've been getting a lot of great authors anyway.
05/03/2008 05:19:02 ‹James Jacobs› Jeff Grubb, for example; looks like he'll be doing something for Pathfinder pretty soon.
05/03/2008 05:19:10 ‹Takasi in Black› nice!
05/03/2008 05:19:32 ‹Wyvern› Authors are only part of the equation, editors are important too and they are in house.
05/03/2008 05:19:41 ‹Sir Wulf› Good companies never have to worry about getting authors, as there will always be people interested.
05/03/2008 05:19:50 ‹Takasi in Black› editors, bah, they're a dime a dozen ;)
05/03/2008 05:19:53 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Yes. One of Vudra's names, I believe, is "The Land of a Thousand Gods."
05/03/2008 05:20:10 ‹James Jacobs› There will be lots. One, at least, is mentioned in Pathfinder 9.
05/03/2008 05:20:40 ‹James Jacobs› They'll be based, in flavor, on real Hindu gods, but I want to avoid using gods that are still widely worshiped today.
05/03/2008 05:20:46 ‹Takasi in Black› I am personally more interested in Vundra than (*blasphemy*) Osirion
05/03/2008 05:20:53 ‹James Jacobs› I suppose someone out there COULD still be a Lamashtan...
05/03/2008 05:21:02 ‹James Jacobs› Vudra. No "n".
05/03/2008 05:21:04 ‹Watcher› I think the question of why one would want to work for Paizo is best asked of the Freelancers themselves. It must be a somewhat uncomfortable question for their Editor.
05/03/2008 05:21:30 ‹Takasi in Black› Vudra...Vudra...Vudra....got it
05/03/2008 05:21:30 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah, I am too, to be honest. I've seen PLENTY of Egypt stuff, and I LOVE what we're doing for Osirion... but Vudra feels so full of potential!
05/03/2008 05:21:43 ‹Takasi in Black› as a little tie in James
05/03/2008 05:21:47 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any word on Uncle writing for Pathfinder any time sooner, or publishing a Maure Castke compilation?
05/03/2008 05:21:48 ‹Lilith› Watcher: I'm pretty sure I could arrange something if you wanted to talk to some freelancers. :P
05/03/2008 05:22:02 ‹Takasi in Black› Living Forgotten Realms for the west coast, including Seattle area, will take place in the Shining South
05/03/2008 05:22:10 ‹James Jacobs› Sir Wulf> Yeah; that's the theory. Treat your authors right and you'll never need to worry about losing them.
05/03/2008 05:22:11 ‹Takasi in Black› with Durpar and other Indian based cultures
05/03/2008 05:22:19 ‹Russ› Watcher - Because if I'm going to be paid to write, I want to write for the best. Screw the pay.
05/03/2008 05:22:20 ‹Takasi in Black› I'm not sure how intact they are in 100 years, but I'm hoping to see that flavor
05/03/2008 05:22:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And what about translations of Pathfinder for your German customers?
05/03/2008 05:23:11 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'd LOVE to have Rob Kuntz do something for Pathfinder. He's been pretty busy lately and recovering from being sick for a bit, though. But yeah... hopefully some day!
05/03/2008 05:23:17 * Timitius joins Main
05/03/2008 05:23:22 ‹Lilith› TIMMMMMMMMMMEH!
05/03/2008 05:23:29 ‹Takasi in Black› Hey there, Tim Tim
05/03/2008 05:23:34 ‹James Jacobs› We can't do a Maure Castle book, as AWESOME as that would be... WotC's property, after all.
05/03/2008 05:23:36 ‹James Jacobs› Tim!
05/03/2008 05:23:40 ‹Timitius› Howdy Howdy Howdy.
05/03/2008 05:23:42 * Lilith glomps Timitius and gives him a stack of Blessed Shard cookies. :cookie: :cookie:
05/03/2008 05:23:53 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Timitius.
05/03/2008 05:23:54 ‹Russ› (so that's one would-be freelanacer's opinion)
05/03/2008 05:24:05 ‹Russ› Freelancing for WotC - I already work for a big soulless corporation.
05/03/2008 05:24:15 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No news on the German translation front.
05/03/2008 05:24:36 * Timitius partakes of the Blessed Shard Cookies, and places them in his Nanoforge for a much needed upgrade!
05/03/2008 05:24:56 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Out of the product announcements so far, which one are you the most excited about, as an editor and as an author, and as a fan?
05/03/2008 05:25:04 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are you allowed to spoil anything regarding Golarion Drow yet, or is that project still too far in the future?
05/03/2008 05:25:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› Golarion drow are.... evil.
05/03/2008 05:25:51 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe: And they like demons.
05/03/2008 05:25:58 ‹Wyvern› Thank the gods!
05/03/2008 05:26:04 ‹Madness Follows› O.O
05/03/2008 05:26:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› And they live underground.
05/03/2008 05:26:11 ‹Madness Follows› O.O
05/03/2008 05:26:12 ‹Watcher› Russ, still looking for that underwater adventure someday
05/03/2008 05:26:23 * Russ works for a company about as big as Hasbro
05/03/2008 05:26:29 ‹Charles Evans› Rambling Scribe... what yu ares poiling are CLICHES; I hope for more from Paizo than cliches.
05/03/2008 05:26:31 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Hmmm... not counting Pathfinder (which would have to be my choice); the Hardcover Campaign Setting.
05/03/2008 05:26:31 ‹Russ› Tell James that :P
05/03/2008 05:26:42 ‹Takasi in Black› James Jacobs, can you tell us more about...intellect devourers? :D
05/03/2008 05:26:51 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :squee: Will we be able to pick it up at GenCon and get 'er signed?
05/03/2008 05:26:55 ‹Watcher› Russ, I tell him all the time. He probably tunes me out after a while
05/03/2008 05:26:57 ‹James Jacobs› AND: there's an unannounced product I'm pretty excited about too. And Gods & Magic will rock.
05/03/2008 05:27:06 ‹James Jacobs› OH! The Darklands book! That too!
05/03/2008 05:27:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Can't wait for bean spillage!
05/03/2008 05:27:09 ‹Saracenus› James Jacobs: Have you guys looked at "The Holy Warriors Handbook" from GR, it is the 3.5 update for The Book of Righteous Might character class... I am looking to use it in my home campiagn to customize the Paladins for most of the gods there...
05/03/2008 05:27:16 ‹James Jacobs› All of them, I guess, Lilith.
05/03/2008 05:27:26 ‹Lilith› Wait, what? Darklands Book? YAY!!!
05/03/2008 05:27:40 * Daigle can't wait for the unannounced thingy.
05/03/2008 05:27:47 ‹Wyvern› Respectable cliches, not remorseful drow with 2 swords emo-ing the town.
05/03/2008 05:28:02 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> About Golarion drow... no new spoilers yet. Actually... I guess I can list 5 of the 12 demon lords they're particularly known to worship...
05/03/2008 05:28:09 ‹Watcher› James, is the unannounced product a book, or something else? I will ask no more
05/03/2008 05:28:12 ‹Takasi in Black› Lilith: http://paizo.com/store/byCompa...tpy81tu
05/03/2008 05:28:17 ‹Takasi in Black› Into the Darklands
05/03/2008 05:28:45 ‹Lilith› Oh yes, I remember that one now Takasi in Black
05/03/2008 05:28:47 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Go ahead with those demon-lords, and show us that these drow aren't *just* into spiders.... 
05:29:04 ‹Russ› 2.3B in '05 revenue, vs. 3B for Hasbro, close seems fair
05/03/2008 05:29:10 * Takasi in Black begins to chant "Demon Lords, Demon Lords..."
05/03/2008 05:29:19 ‹Russ› Darklands sounds fun
05/03/2008 05:29:20 ‹Timitius› Don't forget scorpions...they are into arachnida in general......
05/03/2008 05:29:33 ‹Takasi in Black› I want to see Termite Drow
05/03/2008 05:29:38 * Lilith starts getting out candles, incense and kittens for demon rituals.
05/03/2008 05:29:39 ‹Madness Follows› SCORPIONS!!
05/03/2008 05:29:42 ‹Takasi in Black› the true threat to elf forestlands :P
05/03/2008 05:29:46 ‹Ross› Takasi in Black, that might be a bad idea. Pazuzu gets uppity if you dio that.
05/03/2008 05:29:48 ‹Madness Follows› SCORPIONS!!
05/03/2008 05:29:49 ‹Hill Giant› Ants! That'll teach those picnic-loving surface elves!
05/03/2008 05:29:49 ‹James Jacobs› 5 of the 12 demon lords of Golarion commonly worshiped by drow: Abraxus, Haagenti, Socothbenoth, Nocticula, Baphomet, and Fraz-Urb'luu.
05/03/2008 05:29:52 ‹Madness Follows› SCORPIONS!!
05/03/2008 05:29:53 ‹Russ› I'm pretty excited about the bi-monthly detail product, James. It is what I most wanted to see - more frequent background
05/03/2008 05:29:55 ‹Timitius› Locust Drow
05/03/2008 05:30:01 ‹Madness Follows› SCORPIONS!!
05/03/2008 05:30:04 ‹Russ› nice, I didn't know those were all public domain
05/03/2008 05:30:13 ‹Charles Evans› That's SIX!!!!
05/03/2008 05:30:15 ‹Takasi in Black› it's official, there will be evil termite worshipping elves in my campaign
05/03/2008 05:30:20 ‹Takasi in Black› they'll be 'ginger' though :P
05/03/2008 05:30:23 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> I can't say much more about Golarion's intellect devourers yet... aside from they're gonna be a major part of the Darklands. AND: They're psionic.
05/03/2008 05:30:25 ‹Watcher› Baphomet that's a name I haven't heard in a while
05/03/2008 05:30:29 ‹Gavgoyle› Yes!  I was wondering about any Demon Lord cross-overs
05/03/2008 05:30:35 ‹Madness Follows› SCORPIONS!!
05/03/2008 05:30:44 ‹Ross› Gotta love the mesopotamians for good demon names.
05/03/2008 05:30:49 ‹Charles Evans› Wasn't Socothbenoth in Savage Tide?
05/03/2008 05:30:50 ‹Somber Pygon› Madness wants scorpions.
05/03/2008 05:30:51 ‹Madness Follows› SCORPIOS!!
05/03/2008 05:30:55 ‹James Jacobs› Saracenus> Haven't seen the Holy Warrior's Handbook yet, nope.
05/03/2008 05:30:57 ‹Russ› Baphomet has been very underused in TSR/WotC products
05/03/2008 05:31:10 ‹Watcher› Russ, time to dust him off then!
05/03/2008 05:31:18 * Madness Follows is one!
05/03/2008 05:31:19 ‹Timitius› Why does Madness Follows want to hear an 80's metal band?
05/03/2008 05:31:22 ‹Russ› http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic
05/03/2008 05:31:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. The last one's a bonus demon lord!
05/03/2008 05:31:25 ‹Russ› Gygax tribute comic
05/03/2008 05:31:28 ‹Somber Pygon› I made a Demonmaze for Baphomet.  Dang thing took up 9 sheets of graph paper.
05/03/2008 05:31:30 ‹Samwise› i used dagon in my home game recently
05/03/2008 05:31:38 ‹Madness Follows› ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANE!!!
05/03/2008 05:31:53 ‹Timitius› :headbang:
05/03/2008 05:32:03 ‹Madness Follows› :headbang:
05/03/2008 05:32:13 ‹James Jacobs› Baphomet! One of the Demonomicons I did was about him. He's an interesting chap!
05/03/2008 05:32:25 ‹James Jacobs› Socothbenoth was indeed mentioned in Savage Tide, yup.
05/03/2008 05:32:25 ‹Lilith› He is!
05/03/2008 05:32:26 ‹Saracenus› James Jacobs: Here's the link to the product... http://www.greenronin.com/Merc...rr9014e
05/03/2008 05:32:38 ‹Lilith› I always wanted to know what Baphomet & Pale Night's deal was
05/03/2008 05:32:56 ‹Charles Evans› I'm surprised that WotC haven't got an 'IP' on any of these....
05/03/2008 05:32:57 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> All of the demon lords are either based on real world myth, or are in d20 products we can use.
05/03/2008 05:33:11 ‹Takasi in Black› any other OGL sources used in upcoming Crimson Throne products?
05/03/2008 05:33:16 ‹Mothman› Good question Lilith: What was going on with those two? Care to share any thoughts James?
05/03/2008 05:33:28 ‹Gavgoyle› um, Lilith, I think it's just that she likes 'em Big and Beefy... Baphomet meets both criteria
05/03/2008 05:33:39 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I'm not sure. I got cut out of that loop before I could explore it more with a Pale Night Demonomicon, alas.
05/03/2008 05:33:40 ‹Lilith› Gavgoyle: Nice. Rawr. ;)
05/03/2008 05:33:59 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :cry: Pale Night I was looking forward to...any unofficial thoughts? As a brief tangent?
05/03/2008 05:34:02 ‹Watcher› Russ, that's an interesting Penny Arcade comic with that by-line. More Editorial than I expect in a memorial
05/03/2008 05:34:03 * Takasi in Black changes his/her nickname to Takasi Prepping Burning Sky
05/03/2008 05:34:15 ‹Lilith› Because obyrith are just too cool not to find a home for in Golarion.
05/03/2008 05:34:19 ‹James Jacobs› If I had to guess, though... Pale Night lived there first. Baphomet and his maze came along, grew up around her, and then Baphomet learned his fleshwarping stuff from stealing or spying or trading with her.
05/03/2008 05:34:33 ‹Russ› Rolling In His Grave.
05/03/2008 05:34:37 ‹Ross› Watcher, I'm pretty sure they just meant dice. Not protesting 4e.
05/03/2008 05:34:46 ‹Watcher› Ah
05/03/2008 05:34:52 ‹Watcher› okay that makes sense
05/03/2008 05:34:58 ‹James Jacobs› Pale Night... I have lots of unofficial thoughts about her. Some day, maybe somewhere, probably on my blog, I might divulge them. Too many to get into in a chat room, though.
05/03/2008 05:35:03 ‹Watcher› I guess I have 4th Edition on the brain
05/03/2008 05:35:06 ‹Russ› I would say both spying and trading if I were doing it
05/03/2008 05:35:13 ‹Ross› But yeah, I read it that way first too. Then I say the d20 20-side up next to it.
05/03/2008 05:35:14 ‹Saracenus› Ross: Its ambigious enough that 4e partisans might take it to mean something though
05/03/2008 05:35:14 ‹Russ› Yeah just dice
05/03/2008 05:35:18 ‹Russ› I have 4thE n the brain too
05/03/2008 05:35:26 ‹Takasi Prepping Burning Sky› PA is probably equally referring to DDO
05/03/2008 05:35:35 ‹Russ› I'm, as I said earlier, very disappointed in the wizard spells
05/03/2008 05:35:37 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Currently, the OGL products we're using in Crimson Throne is pretty much the Advanced Bestiary, Book of Fiends, Tome of Horrors, and Necropolis.
05/03/2008 05:36:08 ‹Saracenus› James, if you are using the Book fo Fiends, then you have the unholy warriors already...
05/03/2008 05:36:09 ‹Blazej› I think they just mean rolling dice.
05/03/2008 05:36:17 ‹Russ› I hope OGL stuff can be used with GSL stuff
05/03/2008 05:36:22 ‹Watcher› Russ, even the names sounded odd..  numbered spells? "I cast Buffudle 3 at the monster!"
05/03/2008 05:36:24 ‹Russ› Probably not, though
05/03/2008 05:36:25 ‹Lilith› Takasi Prepping Burning Sky: Tycho is a huge oldschool D&D fan.
05/03/2008 05:36:34 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Thanks for the obyrith comment. :) We'll very likely have qlippoths, though; they're the major source of inspiration for the obyriths.
05/03/2008 05:36:49 ‹Russ› obyriths were great.
05/03/2008 05:37:06 ‹Russ› I approve of a new creature for demonic possession. Trying to shoe-horn existing fiends into possessing fiends didn't ever work right.
05/03/2008 05:37:20 ‹Mothman› James: Presumably the D&D demon lords bear at least some similarity to the “real world” demons they are named after – how much will you vary with Golarion’s demon lords of the same name? For example, how similar will your Baphomet be to … er, your OTHER Baphomet? Will you aim for a deliberate difference, or will the source material dictate a lot of similarities?
05/03/2008 05:37:21 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Fabulous. :D
05/03/2008 05:37:34 ‹James Jacobs› We do have the unholy warrior book in the Paizo Library. Haven't really found a use for one of them chaps yet though.
05/03/2008 05:38:15 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, the loumarras are pretty fun too. Had a pretty huge plan for them as well... ah well.
05/03/2008 05:39:08 ‹Russ› They will likely wallow in the void between editions forever
05/03/2008 05:39:15 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The D&D demon lords actually often have NO similarity to the real world inspiration. Baphomet, for example, is a decapitated head the Templars were supposed to pray to. Nothing to do with minotaurs at all. Demogorgon's a made-up word some monk glossed into a book. Orcus is a place, not a person. Etc.
05/03/2008 05:39:15 ‹Saracenus› James Jacobs: The Unholy Warrior book is 3.0, the section in Book of Fiends is the 3.5 update (pg. 205-216)
05/03/2008 05:39:21 ‹Russ› Too new to easily make the jump after a big reset
05/03/2008 05:39:23 * Madness Follows quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 05:39:44 ‹Russ› Metal-winged angels, jo
05/03/2008 05:39:45 ‹Russ› joy
05/03/2008 05:39:49 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: In the case of Baphomet and Fraz-Urb'luu... they'll be rather similar to the demons of the same name you're used to, since they're in the Tome of Horrors that way.
05/03/2008 05:40:25 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Something tells me NOTHING is "too new" to make the jump to 4E.
05/03/2008 05:40:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Have you thought of any questions for us yet? (Sorry but I've been ill this week and have to retire to bed soon..)
05/03/2008 05:40:39 ‹Takasi Prepping Burning Sky› how is Clark Peterson doing?  have you guys collaborated with him on anything lately?
05/03/2008 05:40:41 ‹James Jacobs› But since loumaras are invisible... they make poor minis, so don't expect them anytime soon.
05/03/2008 05:40:42 ‹Mothman› James: Good points! Especially the Tome of Horrors connection, kind of forgot that...
05/03/2008 05:41:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No questions yet, alas.
05/03/2008 05:41:21 ‹Russ› Nothing's too new, no, but having just done a big reset on all the fiendish creatures, I think we're gonna see a ton of OLD, much loved stuff fighting for inclusion. Just figure it reduces their chances vs. if they were something with a history, like barghests
05/03/2008 05:41:24 ‹James Jacobs› Erik just had a long phone chat with Clark today or yesterday... not sure which... days running together........
05/03/2008 05:42:10 ‹James Jacobs› I'm actually pretty bitter on the fiends reset in 4E. I'd almost rather not watch what happens to them.
05/03/2008 05:42:20 ‹James Jacobs› Serenity now... serenity now...
05/03/2008 05:42:26 ‹Watcher› East Coast Death here.. almost 1 am. Night all. Here's hoping we get some closure on the Editions soon!
05/03/2008 05:42:34 ‹Lilith› Night Watcher! :glomp: :cookie:
05/03/2008 05:42:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I'll try to answer any questions you think up if/when Lilith posts the transcripts...
05/03/2008 05:42:40 ‹Watcher› :)
05/03/2008 05:42:47 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight.
05/03/2008 05:42:49 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: If? :(
05/03/2008 05:42:55 ‹Takasi Prepping Burning Sky› repeat after me James "It's just another setting...it's just another setting..."
05/03/2008 05:42:56 ‹James Jacobs› Cool! yeah, if you think up any questions at all, shoot them to Lilith, or post them on the boards.
05/03/2008 05:43:03 * Charles Evans quit
05/03/2008 05:43:13 ‹Mothman› James: Yeah, that was one of the things that most got to me too (and you would be FAR more emotionally involved!) ... but ive decided to chill and reserve judgement for a while o nthe whole $E thing
05/03/2008 05:43:21 ‹Russ› Well, I have used your fiend work, to good affect, and I appreciate it
05/03/2008 05:43:26 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Nice typo, Moth.
05/03/2008 05:43:27 ‹Mothman› See you Watcher
05/03/2008 05:43:40 ‹Ross› Yes.....typo....
05/03/2008 05:43:43 ‹Mothman› Ha! Accidental too!
05/03/2008 05:43:44 * Watcher quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 05:43:49 ‹Russ› Questions - can we see some more new ioun stones plz?
05/03/2008 05:43:51 * TheWanderingBard joins Main
05/03/2008 05:43:55 ‹Mothman› (silly shift key)
05/03/2008 05:43:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yes.
05/03/2008 05:44:10 ‹James Jacobs› There are some in Pathfinder 6, in fact.
05/03/2008 05:44:19 ‹Russ› I saw those :)
05/03/2008 05:44:24 ‹TheWanderingBard› Yeah
05/03/2008 05:44:25 ‹Russ› The pricing on the one variety just doesn't work, though
05/03/2008 05:44:28 ‹Russ› (the stackable stones)
05/03/2008 05:44:38 ‹James Jacobs› Those will not be the last. We'll figure out pricing for those and get them out there eventually.
05/03/2008 05:44:53 ‹Mothman› My FLGS STILL doesnt have PF5! ... man, i really need to get my shit together and subscribe...
05/03/2008 05:45:02 ‹James Jacobs› If the game can't handle pricing stackable hit point ioun stones... the game gets patched by ME!
05/03/2008 05:45:07 ‹Russ› Although one really thinks ioun stones SHOULD be stackable, more in keeping with the original
05/03/2008 05:45:12 ‹TheWanderingBard› The horror
05/03/2008 05:45:13 ‹Russ› I was thinking the stackable stat boosters.
05/03/2008 05:45:26 ‹TheWanderingBard› But...Munchkins
05/03/2008 05:45:29 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Stackable to a +6 limit perhaps. I could get behind that.
05/03/2008 05:45:31 ‹Russ› You'd have to charge 1/3 the price of a +6 item to make them balance, if you cared about the balance
05/03/2008 05:45:37 ‹James Jacobs› Munchkins will do their thing no matter what.
05/03/2008 05:45:44 ‹Russ› OH, I assumed you'd have to cap them at +6 :)
05/03/2008 05:45:49 ‹TheWanderingBard› Best not to make it easier though
05/03/2008 05:45:52 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah... that was what I was thinking regarding pricing.
05/03/2008 05:45:53 ‹TheWanderingBard› Ah
05/03/2008 05:46:01 * boglin joins Main
05/03/2008 05:46:07 ‹Russ› But I love me some ioun stones
05/03/2008 05:46:09 ‹Russ› And wanna see more
05/03/2008 05:46:11 ‹Lilith› As a total off-topic comment...Dirty Jobs is the best thing to watch during these chats. :P
05/03/2008 05:46:20 ‹James Jacobs› It's a good show!
05/03/2008 05:46:21 ‹Russ› Give us one that gives you blindsight! :)
05/03/2008 05:46:25 ‹Somber Pygon› "words fail me."
05/03/2008 05:46:26 ‹Russ› I'm watching New Amsterdam
05/03/2008 05:46:36 ‹Gavgoyle› lol, what's he doing tonight, Lilith?
05/03/2008 05:47:04 ‹Takasi Prepping Burning Sky› watching Birth of a Civilization
05/03/2008 05:47:28 ‹Gavgoyle› Mythbusters/Dirty Jobs make a good One-Two punch
05/03/2008 05:47:44 ‹Madness Follows› JIMMY J!!: will we get rules for imbedding Iounstones into our flesh?
05/03/2008 05:47:57 ‹Lilith› Gavgoyle: It's a repeat...but it's the one with the San Francisco Sewer Pump Replacement.
05/03/2008 05:48:18 ‹Gavgoyle› Glah! 
05/03/2008 05:48:44 ‹boglin› question in burnt offers and beyond is there a specific diety for Goblins?
05/03/2008 05:48:49 ‹Russ› I'd like to see more expendable ioun stones. I realize the burned out ones got sort of dropped in 3.5E, but we need more that can burn out :)
05/03/2008 05:48:52 ‹Daigle› Madness, excellent question!  I did that in my last campaign....for the bad guys of course.
05/03/2008 05:48:55 ‹Gavgoyle› Effluvi-o-riffic!
05/03/2008 05:49:53 ‹Russ› More low-cost items in the path1
05/03/2008 05:49:56 ‹Russ› Path! that is
05/03/2008 05:49:59 ‹boglin› also is there going to be a difference in Goblins and Hobgoblin?
05/03/2008 05:50:01 ‹Ross› Since it has slowed back down a bit, I'd like to steer the conversation back to where we started a bit. Wheat is the ideal Point Buy amount?
05/03/2008 05:50:02 ‹James Jacobs› Madness> Grafting ioun stones into the flesh? Yes, eventually.
05/03/2008 05:50:19 ‹Madness Follows› AWESOME!
05/03/2008 05:50:24 ‹Madness Follows› :dance2:
05/03/2008 05:50:31 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, good. I don't like Ioun stones just because I don't like the images of high-level people with a swarm around their heads.
05/03/2008 05:50:39 ‹Russ› Ross> 28
05/03/2008 05:50:40 ‹boglin› (6?
05/03/2008 05:50:43 ‹James Jacobs› Goblins generally worship Lamashtu. But they also have a small group of goblin gods they worship. BUT: They're just as likely to worship things or people. Like a chieftain, or a stump that kind of looks like a goblin face.
05/03/2008 05:50:47 ‹boglin› 96?
05/03/2008 05:50:59 ‹James Jacobs› Classic Monsters Revisited has some stuff about the goblin pantheon.
05/03/2008 05:51:18 * Takasi Prepping Burning Sky quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 05:51:23 ‹James Jacobs› There's big differences between goblins and hobgoblins. And bugbears too.
05/03/2008 05:51:33 ‹Madness Follows› I cannot WAIT for CMR. Will be total awesomeness I'm sure
05/03/2008 05:51:42 ‹TheWanderingBard› How about hobgoblin society?
05/03/2008 05:51:44 ‹James Jacobs› The best way to summarize the differences is to compare their alignments. All 3 are evil. Hobgoblins are lawful, goblins neutral, and bugbears chaotic.
05/03/2008 05:51:49 ‹Russ› Gygax comic tribute #3: http://somethingpositive.net/
05/03/2008 05:51:57 ‹James Jacobs› Hobgoblins are very militaristic. There's more info about them in Classic Monsters as well.
05/03/2008 05:52:11 ‹boglin› good I Love Hobgoblins and I'd like to see them developed more altho they did get a big shot in the arm in MM V
05/03/2008 05:52:35 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> yeah... it's the same problem with the animated shield. It's a great item quality, but you never see them depicted in art cause it'd look dumb.
05/03/2008 05:52:40 ‹TheWanderingBard› Need to get Monsters Revisited then
05/03/2008 05:52:53 ‹boglin› me too
05/03/2008 05:52:58 ‹James Jacobs› My favorite point buy amount is 32.
05/03/2008 05:53:23 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, now that I think of it, Merisel has an ioun stone in her head. Or something.
05/03/2008 05:53:26 ‹Russ› 32 is a bit superheroic for my tastes. But it does mean lots of 18s, which can be fun. And it means I can gun the hell out of my villains.
05/03/2008 05:53:34 ‹boglin› 40 could work and not get crazy
05/03/2008 05:53:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› In City of the Spider Queen, they have a character shown repeatedly with an animated shield. I liked the art, but it is clearly an exception.
05/03/2008 05:53:49 ‹Russ› Elrond in the Rank-and-Base Hobbit came out okay
05/03/2008 05:53:53 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Yup. That's kind of what got me thinking about that. That and Karzoug, of course.
05/03/2008 05:53:54 ‹Russ› (with Ioun stone-ish things)
05/03/2008 05:53:55 ‹Ross› 40 is a bit excessive. The elite array is 25.
05/03/2008 05:53:58 * Takasi Prepping Burning Sky joins Main
05/03/2008 05:54:16 ‹James Jacobs› 32 doesn't really mean any 18s at all.
05/03/2008 05:54:36 * Madness Follows quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 05:54:40 ‹James Jacobs› It DOES mean higher scores, sure, but if anyone in my campaign has high scores... it's the main characters. The one the story's about. The PCs.
05/03/2008 05:54:46 ‹Somber Pygon› 2 18's and the rest 8's - woo! :)
05/03/2008 05:55:06 ‹boglin› 24 just means you get rangers with all 14's
05/03/2008 05:55:19 ‹Russ› I'd sure put an 18 in a spellcaster with 32. Not sure if I'd do it for other classes.
05/03/2008 05:55:21 ‹Ross› I'm trying to sort of the creation rules for my PbP. It's important that I let all the spellcasters get at least 16s, since i'm using my variant casting rules.
05/03/2008 05:55:25 ‹James Jacobs› If a player tried to pull a 2 18s and 4 8s on me... I'd laugh at him, point, and make sure that he soon learns to regret his four 8s.
05/03/2008 05:55:30 ‹Gavgoyle› Probably already been asked a number of times, James, but anything particularly Cthonic showing up in CotCT?
05/03/2008 05:56:10 ‹Takasi Prepping Burning Sky› gamist RBDM :P
05/03/2008 05:56:14 ‹James Jacobs› By "Cthonic" do you mean stuff from the Darklands? Or stuff like Lumley's cthonians/lovecrafty stuff?
05/03/2008 05:56:23 ‹TheWanderingBard› Really, with the "infinite rerolls" rules, players are limited only by their own sense of reason, so 32 doesn't seem so bad. Most of mine know where to draw the line though.
05/03/2008 05:56:27 ‹Gavgoyle› Lovecrafty
05/03/2008 05:56:30 ‹TheWanderingBard› :cthulhu:
05/03/2008 05:56:38 ‹TheWanderingBard› had to
05/03/2008 05:56:45 ‹Ross› Infinite rerolls? Says who?
05/03/2008 05:56:49 ‹TheWanderingBard› :cthulhu:
05/03/2008 05:56:51 ‹TheWanderingBard› him
05/03/2008 05:56:56 ‹James Jacobs› At this point, yes... Greg Vaughan put in a lovecraftian monster into Pathfinder 11. It's a cool choice too.
05/03/2008 05:57:07 ‹boglin› my opinion exactly    if I wanted Bob the fighter then roleplaying wouldn't be as big
05/03/2008 05:57:09 * Duicarthan waves at Boglin
05/03/2008 05:57:15 ‹James Jacobs› And comes with some interesting connotations and what-not for the Darklands.
05/03/2008 05:57:25 ‹TheWanderingBard› Really though, how am I to know how many rerolls they used?
05/03/2008 05:57:32 ‹Gavgoyle› cool, any hint on what it might be?
05/03/2008 05:57:36 ‹Timitius› Should be Shogoth...cuz I kicked his demon butt in Hellgate!
05/03/2008 05:57:45 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Wait.
05/03/2008 05:57:51 ‹James Jacobs› Are there shoggoths in Hellgate?
05/03/2008 05:57:52 ‹TheWanderingBard› Timitius>Shulgoth?
05/03/2008 05:57:54 ‹Gavgoyle› Using the Hounds in RotRL was a geek-gasm for me
05/03/2008 05:58:09 ‹TheWanderingBard› Had fun killing him
05/03/2008 05:58:12 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Shulgoth, yes...as far as shoggoths, it's possible. But there are sleestaks!
05/03/2008 05:58:21 ‹James Jacobs› I'm still a little wary about fully embracing the Lovecraft element in Pathfinder.
05/03/2008 05:58:26 ‹TheWanderingBard› Hooray for sleestak glands
05/03/2008 05:58:37 ‹TheWanderingBard› I'm using one in my rainbow-brite gun
05/03/2008 05:58:39 * Timitius sighs for messing up another demon name....
05/03/2008 05:58:58 ‹James Jacobs› No hints yet about the monster, alas, Gavgoyle. Maybe in a month...
05/03/2008 05:59:00 ‹boglin› wa
05/03/2008 05:59:05 ‹boglin› waves
05/03/2008 05:59:22 ‹Takasi Prepping Burning Sky› James Jacobs, I suggest a special Golarion pronounciation guide web page
05/03/2008 05:59:26 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: I would say bleed out the Cthulhu elements slowly
05/03/2008 05:59:33 ‹James Jacobs› Don't let it botha' ya Tim! Just flail your arms around and honk and in MOMENTS, no one will remember! It works for me whenever I do something publicly that I'd wish I hadn't.
05/03/2008 05:59:43 ‹Madness Follows› Land of the Lost?
05/03/2008 06:00:01 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> There'll be a pronunciation guide in the Hardcover.
05/03/2008 06:00:06 ‹Moonlion› Good night, all! :)
05/03/2008 06:00:15 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Moonlion!
05/03/2008 06:00:25 ‹James Jacobs› And remember! NOON TOMORROW!
05/03/2008 06:00:30 ‹Moonlion› I shall!
05/03/2008 06:00:31 ‹Lilith› Noon tomorrow?
05/03/2008 06:00:35 ‹Moonlion› BELIEVE IT!
05/03/2008 06:00:38 ‹Hill Giant› gunfight
05/03/2008 06:00:39 ‹James Jacobs› KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES!
05/03/2008 06:00:39 * Lilith narrows her eyes...:fry:
05/03/2008 06:01:02 ‹Madness Follows› :paranoid:
05/03/2008 06:01:14 * Takasi Prepping Burning Sky changes his/her nickname to Takasi running Burning Sky
05/03/2008 06:01:23 ‹Somber Pygon› it's always at noon.
05/03/2008 06:01:44 * Moonlion quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:01:57 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Were you going to run with the preview page from the Guide to Korvosa as a blog idea?
05/03/2008 06:02:30 ‹Lilith› Dirty Jobs in HD! Woohoo!
05/03/2008 06:02:35 ‹Lilith› Twice the resolution on the grime!
05/03/2008 06:02:40 * Crazy Pete joins Main
05/03/2008 06:02:41 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... it's prolly too late to do that now.
05/03/2008 06:02:41 ‹TheWanderingBard› Soooo....Lillith/Timitius... Off topic, but is the Hellgate run tonight 8:30 oceanic time?
05/03/2008 06:02:51 * Madness Follows quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:02:54 ‹Gavgoyle› Okay, but I'm hoping for the Gugs of Golarion
05/03/2008 06:02:55 ‹James Jacobs› PDFs of Korvosa will be available sometime this week, i suspect. Too late.
05/03/2008 06:03:03 ‹James Jacobs› Gugs, eh?
05/03/2008 06:03:07 * Crazy Pete changes his/her nickname to Madness Follows
05/03/2008 06:03:18 ‹Gavgoyle› Indeed.
05/03/2008 06:03:26 ‹James Jacobs› There's a pretty good chance you'll be pretty happy then...
05/03/2008 06:03:30 ‹Lilith› TheWanderingBard: Uhh...it would be 8pm Pacific Time...which is 4am Greenwich Mean Time
05/03/2008 06:03:44 ‹Timitius› TheWanderingBard: Patience Bard!  Tomorrow night...not tonight.
05/03/2008 06:03:50 ‹Gavgoyle› Eeeeeeeeeexcellent!
05/03/2008 06:03:51 ‹TheWanderingBard› its OK... I'm oceanic
05/03/2008 06:03:53 ‹TheWanderingBard› Argh
05/03/2008 06:04:03 ‹TheWanderingBard› Sorry
05/03/2008 06:04:17 ‹Lilith› 4am THURSDAY Greenwich mean time...not sure when that would be for you...
05/03/2008 06:04:33 ‹TheWanderingBard› Bard's Trigger Finger twitches gently
05/03/2008 06:04:39 ‹Timitius› No prob.  I just finished the Hellgate book 1, and I am itchin terribly for demon killing.....
05/03/2008 06:04:44 * Fray joins Main
05/03/2008 06:05:00 ‹TheWanderingBard› ok
05/03/2008 06:05:18 * Timitius thinks it should be Main joins the Fray.....
05/03/2008 06:05:29 ‹TheWanderingBard› bye then :D
05/03/2008 06:05:38 * Fray changes his/her nickname to Main
05/03/2008 06:05:41 * Main agrees
05/03/2008 06:05:46 ‹Main› :)
05/03/2008 06:05:47 ‹Madness Follows› I think that it is time for me to wander into the Slumber Lands.... 'Night all  :sleep::sleep::sleep:
05/03/2008 06:05:58 ‹Somber Pygon› gnite Mad
05/03/2008 06:05:59 ‹Timitius› :lol:
05/03/2008 06:06:05 ‹Main› so... what did I miss?
05/03/2008 06:06:21 * Main changes his/her nickname to Main joins the Fray
05/03/2008 06:06:21 ‹Timitius› Flying dinosaurs....and gibbly parts.
05/03/2008 06:06:29 ‹Main joins the Fray› ah.. coolio
05/03/2008 06:06:32 * TheWanderingBard quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:06:35 ‹James Jacobs› We got to say hi to Nick Logue's Mom...
05/03/2008 06:06:38 * Main joins the Fray changes his/her nickname to Fray
05/03/2008 06:06:45 ‹Fray› OOO!
05/03/2008 06:06:48 ‹Fray› sweet!
05/03/2008 06:07:03 ‹Fray› did she tell us anything fun about him?
05/03/2008 06:07:14 ‹Somber Pygon› it was a vicarious hello
05/03/2008 06:07:32 ‹Fray› the second best kind
05/03/2008 06:07:39 ‹Timitius› I trust he kept the porno-Godzilla comments off the boards this time?
05/03/2008 06:07:52 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway... I should get going as well. Gotta finish off this "Escape from Old Korvosa" adventure before I get to go home, alas...
05/03/2008 06:07:58 * Madness Follows quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:07:59 ‹Fray› Py somber cuz of the big GG passing?
05/03/2008 06:07:59 ‹James Jacobs› Or at least, get within 1000 words of being done...
05/03/2008 06:08:05 ‹Somber Pygon› Fray - yes :)
05/03/2008 06:08:14 ‹Fray› gnite JJ
05/03/2008 06:08:17 ‹James Jacobs› Any last-minute questions or threats?
05/03/2008 06:08:20 * Fray changes his/her nickname to Somber Fray
05/03/2008 06:08:21 ‹Somber Pygon› thanks for stopping by James
05/03/2008 06:08:29 ‹Somber Pygon› well I did have one, but it might take some thought...
05/03/2008 06:08:33 ‹Gavgoyle› nope, thanks for the info James!
05/03/2008 06:08:34 ‹Somber Fray› I'll shoot you a question or two later JJ
05/03/2008 06:08:38 ‹Somber Fray› :)
05/03/2008 06:08:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :thug:
05/03/2008 06:08:44 ‹James Jacobs› Let's hear them questions!
05/03/2008 06:08:48 ‹Ross› Thanks for taking our questions, James.
05/03/2008 06:08:49 ‹boglin› thanks have a good night'
05/03/2008 06:08:50 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Questions for us maybe?
05/03/2008 06:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› Fire em' up!
05/03/2008 06:09:03 ‹Somber Fray› yeah, JJ ask us something
05/03/2008 06:09:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night JJ!
05/03/2008 06:09:09 ‹Somber Pygon› a small balst to your past - if you were to set Red Hand of Doom in Golarion, what would be its coutnerparts to Dreelin's Ferry and the forest, the mountains, swamp, wastelands, and Brindol?
05/03/2008 06:09:16 * mortellan joins Main
05/03/2008 06:09:17 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Who you lookin' at for the Patfhinder Companion line? Are your Second Darkness authors finalized?
05/03/2008 06:09:21 ‹Lilith› mortellan! :thug:
05/03/2008 06:09:29 ‹mortellan› aww hi lilith
05/03/2008 06:09:43 ‹Somber Fray› hi mort
05/03/2008 06:09:48 * Samwise mutters at mortellan
05/03/2008 06:09:55 * Samwise grumbles even
05/03/2008 06:09:57 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Any chance of limited edition Pathfinder dice with the Sihedron rune on them?
05/03/2008 06:09:58 * mortellan narrows eyes at samwise
05/03/2008 06:10:15 ‹Somber Fray› have we heard if Paizo has seen/read the 4e crap stuff yet?
05/03/2008 06:10:22 ‹Russ› Just ran part of RHoD. found a bit of a howler.
05/03/2008 06:10:25 ‹Russ› A small creature with improved grab.
05/03/2008 06:10:40 ‹Russ› watch out, it might grapple your familiar!
05/03/2008 06:10:48 ‹Somber Fray› Russ must be from MMII
05/03/2008 06:10:53 ‹Mothman› See you James
05/03/2008 06:11:12 ‹Russ› It didn't have a note allowing it to use improved grab on anything bigger than tiny :)
05/03/2008 06:11:14 ‹Timitius› James!  Tell all the folks here to come to Paizocon!
05/03/2008 06:11:15 ‹Ross› Somber Fray, they're taking apart Bulman's brain tomorrow.
05/03/2008 06:11:38 ‹Somber Fray› coolio...
05/03/2008 06:11:40 ‹Lilith› What Timitius said James Jacobs!
05/03/2008 06:11:41 ‹Russ› that gets blown a lot in modules in general, particularly on dragons with snatch or crush- a huge dragon can only grab/snatch a small PC.
05/03/2008 06:11:50 ‹James Jacobs› If I were to set Red Hand in Golarion... I'd probably keep most of the names the same and just put it right in Andoran. Falcon's Hollow area perhaps...
05/03/2008 06:11:50 * ollibolli joins Main
05/03/2008 06:11:53 ‹Somber Fray› it will be nice to see something a bit more solid than all the rumors
05/03/2008 06:11:53 ‹Lilith› Ross: AND HOOKING IT UP TO THE PAIZO SERVERS FOR WORLD DOMINATION!
05/03/2008 06:11:54 ‹Timitius› To worship the pantheon that is Paizo Editors.
05/03/2008 06:12:07 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Sihedron dice? There's a chance!
05/03/2008 06:12:13 ‹Somber Pygon› thanks James
05/03/2008 06:12:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Seriously? COOL! :headbang:
05/03/2008 06:12:36 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> We haven't seen the GSL or the rules yet. Well.. Bulmahn's kind of seen the rules, I guess. He was at D&D XP.
05/03/2008 06:12:50 ‹James Jacobs› Russ: What was the monster that had the grabbies?
05/03/2008 06:13:00 ‹Russ› The lesser bonedrinker I think was the name
05/03/2008 06:13:05 ‹ollibolli› Good morning from Germany
05/03/2008 06:13:18 ‹Samwise› they didnt have anywhere near the full rules at DDXP
05/03/2008 06:13:19 ‹James Jacobs› Ah. Yeah. That rule about the sizes and improved grab gets forgotten ALL THE TIME>
05/03/2008 06:13:20 ‹Russ› Had an ability that relied on grapple, but with its grapple check it probably wouldn't use it much anyhow
05/03/2008 06:13:25 ‹mortellan› yo olli
05/03/2008 06:13:27 ‹Saracenus› Somber Fray: As of yesterday Erik commented on Chris Pramas' review of 4e that at least someone in the 3rd party universe was getting a look at 4e, so I would say no. Paizo hasn't seen it yet...
05/03/2008 06:13:27 ‹Samwise› except the designers on their evil laptops
05/03/2008 06:13:29 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> More than we've seen yet, thoguh.
05/03/2008 06:13:34 ‹Russ› I just did the 4 attacks and hurt the PCs that way
05/03/2008 06:13:41 ‹Samwise› heh
05/03/2008 06:13:43 ‹Samwise› that is true
05/03/2008 06:13:44 ‹James Jacobs› Timitius> Will do! I'll be there, I suspect!
05/03/2008 06:13:49 ‹Russ› They were fun, no one expected their reach :)
05/03/2008 06:13:54 * Oni Link joins Main
05/03/2008 06:13:58 ‹Russ› If you are there, I will buy you a beer of your choice
05/03/2008 06:14:01 * Oni Link looks around
05/03/2008 06:14:03 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Yay! That means I can give backrubs!
05/03/2008 06:14:08 ‹Russ› And come by Eugene some day, we have a bar with 800 beers!
05/03/2008 06:14:12 ‹Russ› Wait, 950 beers!
05/03/2008 06:14:22 ‹Timitius› James:  How's the car running?  I read your blog...weird...I have a 2000 SL2 as well.  And all this time, we had the same car and never knew......:-k
05/03/2008 06:14:23 ‹Oni Link› Color scheme for Gary Gyax's passing?
05/03/2008 06:14:28 ‹Lilith› Oni Link: 'Tis.
05/03/2008 06:14:33 * Oni Link nods
05/03/2008 06:14:47 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> in those cases, anyway... it's best to just go ahead and ad hoc give the critter the ability to grab bigger folk anyway. Rules as intended, not as written.
05/03/2008 06:14:48 ‹Oni Link› Oh hey there's JJ :)
05/03/2008 06:14:53 * Somber Fray gets into the backrub line
05/03/2008 06:15:09 ‹James Jacobs› BACKRUBS!
05/03/2008 06:15:12 ‹James Jacobs› Score.
05/03/2008 06:15:13 ‹Russ› James> Yeah, with no size small PCs I decied I wouldn't worry, since I wasn't gonna win a grapple check without a miracle 
06:15:34 ‹Russ› I like to give critters like that Improved Grapple just to give them a chance.
05/03/2008 06:15:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :love:
05/03/2008 06:16:11 ‹James Jacobs› The car is still running rough, Timitius. It's a $1200 bill to fix, and it works without the fix... and I haven't really had a chance to go anywhere but Paizo for the last few weeks... BUT so far so good! :) I hope to bring it in for the FIX next week.
05/03/2008 06:16:20 ‹Somber Fray› ok, y'all i'm out. be good to each other.  :)
05/03/2008 06:16:21 ‹Oni Link› I have a question: one of my players is going to be playing an Urban Ranger (variant from UA) but is also considering the Sable Company feat. The class allows animal companions of Medium size or smaller, but the hippogriff is a Large creature. I'm going to allow him to ignore the "Medium or smaller" rule, what do you think?
05/03/2008 06:16:31 ‹Russ› +4 to grapple checks goes a long way, is why I gave my plant-zombies that as a bonus feat :)
05/03/2008 06:16:36 ‹James Jacobs› It's a good car, for the most part, other than the herky-jerky 2nd gear crap.
05/03/2008 06:16:51 ‹Timitius› The starter gave out on ours a couple weeks ago.
05/03/2008 06:16:58 ‹Russ› How soon are you willing to give him a hippogriff?
05/03/2008 06:17:00 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Fray!
05/03/2008 06:17:23 ‹James Jacobs› Oni: Give him the hippogriff.
05/03/2008 06:17:23 ‹Russ› Watch out for how dangerous a flying charge can be. If he twigs to it, he can get two double-damage claw attacks.
05/03/2008 06:17:25 ‹Timitius› $500.  There went my plans for a 2 GB RAM upgrade....
05/03/2008 06:17:31 ‹Oni Link› Well he qualifies for the feat at 6th level, since you need to be level 4 ranger but the next feat after 3rd is 6th.
05/03/2008 06:17:48 * Somber Fray quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:17:53 ‹Ross› As much as I am enjoying this, I'm east coast. It's time for sleepy sleep.
05/03/2008 06:17:57 ‹Gavgoyle› I'm slippin' into keyboard catatonia, too.  Take care all!
05/03/2008 06:17:59 ‹James Jacobs› Timitius> Yeah... I hear ya.
05/03/2008 06:18:01 ‹Russ› But hippogriffs have something of a glass jaw.
05/03/2008 06:18:08 ‹Oni Link› Night, everyone who's leaving!
05/03/2008 06:18:33 ‹Timitius› Saturn makes a damn good car though.......
05/03/2008 06:18:44 ‹James Jacobs› They do. PLUS: They're so nice!
05/03/2008 06:18:44 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main
05/03/2008 06:18:47 ‹James Jacobs› and friendly!
05/03/2008 06:18:49 ‹Lilith› BULLMAN!
05/03/2008 06:18:49 ‹James Jacobs› Eeew.
05/03/2008 06:18:52 ‹Gavgoyle› Daigle, give me a call tomorrow night if you can make it over to the TMBG show
05/03/2008 06:18:53 ‹James Jacobs› That's my cue.
05/03/2008 06:18:56 * Lilith runs over and glomps the BULL MAN!
05/03/2008 06:19:01 ‹James Jacobs› Jason may be drunk, btw...
05/03/2008 06:19:05 ‹Lilith› :glomp:
05/03/2008 06:19:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy everybody...
05/03/2008 06:19:06 * Ross needs to get around to updating his resume and sending to to Paizo.
05/03/2008 06:19:16 ‹mortellan› have a drink on me, JB
05/03/2008 06:19:16 ‹Timitius› Hey Jason!
05/03/2008 06:19:24 ‹Ross› Then I'd be west coast. :)
05/03/2008 06:19:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Nope... I had a few pints in Gary's honor.. but I am doing just fine
05/03/2008 06:19:25 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: He used the ellipsis properly. He's sober!
05/03/2008 06:19:26 ‹Oni Link› Hiya, JB
05/03/2008 06:19:31 ‹Timitius› :beer::beer:
05/03/2008 06:19:32 ‹Russ› Man-Bull!
05/03/2008 06:19:33 ‹Gavgoyle› howdy Jason, Goodbye Jason! 
05/03/2008 06:19:42 ‹James Jacobs› You never explained to me what this "pints" thing is, Jason!
05/03/2008 06:19:46 * Lilith sets Jason Bulmahn down and gives him a prime rib dinner. And beer. :beer:
05/03/2008 06:19:53 ‹Russ› Scoop us, Jason!
05/03/2008 06:19:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Beer James.. beer comes in pints...
05/03/2008 06:20:01 * Ross quit
05/03/2008 06:20:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks Lilith.. as always...
05/03/2008 06:20:10 ‹Saracenus› Or kegs
05/03/2008 06:20:12 ‹Timitius› Not buckets???
05/03/2008 06:20:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Or growler jugs. :D
05/03/2008 06:20:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well.. it depends on how thirsty I am
05/03/2008 06:20:25 * Timitius is a sloppy drunk....
05/03/2008 06:20:33 * Lilith is a giggly drunk.
05/03/2008 06:20:37 ‹boglin› nite nite
05/03/2008 06:20:38 ‹James Jacobs› OK. Jason's here! I'm gone!
05/03/2008 06:20:42 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all next time!
05/03/2008 06:20:43 ‹Saracenus› lol
05/03/2008 06:20:43 ‹Somber Pygon› bye James
05/03/2008 06:20:45 * mortellan is a sleepy drunk
05/03/2008 06:20:45 ‹Oni Link› G'nite, JJ.
05/03/2008 06:20:46 * Jason Bulmahn is a raging drunk..
05/03/2008 06:20:47 ‹Timitius› See you James!
05/03/2008 06:20:47 * Oni Link waves
05/03/2008 06:20:48 ‹Lilith› Night James Jacobs! :thug:
05/03/2008 06:20:48 ‹James Jacobs› Ask Jason some hard questions!
05/03/2008 06:20:48 ‹Russ› thanks for the hard work
05/03/2008 06:20:49 ‹Saracenus› Night James
05/03/2008 06:20:50 ‹mortellan› bye james
05/03/2008 06:20:56 ‹Hill Giant› bye jj
05/03/2008 06:21:00 ‹Lilith› Is this a tag-team effort now?
05/03/2008 06:21:03 ‹Saracenus› Welp, I am out... got to get stuff done for tomorrow
05/03/2008 06:21:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night James... see you in the morning...
05/03/2008 06:21:08 * Gavgoyle quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:21:08 * Gavgoyle quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:21:09 ‹mortellan› bye Sar
05/03/2008 06:21:17 ‹Timitius› Jason....of THAT I have no doubts.....;-)
05/03/2008 06:21:19 ‹James Jacobs› YEs. At the ungodly hour of 11 AM. Eew.
05/03/2008 06:21:21 ‹mortellan› Sar>want to do my taxes?
05/03/2008 06:21:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› So Jason, I hear they are extracting your brain tomorrow.
05/03/2008 06:21:31 ‹Saracenus› NO!
05/03/2008 06:21:37 ‹mortellan› haha
05/03/2008 06:21:41 * boglin quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:21:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› That they are... wait.. what?
05/03/2008 06:21:48 * Lilith giggles.
05/03/2008 06:21:49 ‹Mothman› Bye JAmes
05/03/2008 06:21:51 ‹Somber Pygon› so... 40 rounds huh?
05/03/2008 06:21:51 ‹Mothman› Hi Jason
05/03/2008 06:21:51 ‹Russ› So....
05/03/2008 06:21:56 ‹Russ› That ranger, huh Jason?
05/03/2008 06:21:59 ‹Timitius› :vampire::zombieglomp:
05/03/2008 06:22:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wow.. word spreads fast...
05/03/2008 06:22:15 ‹Samwise› heh
05/03/2008 06:22:17 ‹Russ› And why play a wizard when you can be a cleric!
05/03/2008 06:22:19 ‹Samwise› 40 rounds of doom
05/03/2008 06:22:21 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:22:32 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Before you get bombarded with DDXP questions - what are you working on at Paizo now, and how do you feel about the GameMastery modules becoming Pathfinder modules?
05/03/2008 06:22:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Why play anything but a cleric... apparently...
05/03/2008 06:22:46 ‹Timitius› I wanna be an uber-priest now!
05/03/2008 06:22:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith: I cannot say what my current work is...
05/03/2008 06:22:59 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Bean spillage!
05/03/2008 06:23:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› In any way.. unfortunately...
05/03/2008 06:23:02 ‹Lilith› Wants it!
05/03/2008 06:23:04 * Saracenus quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:23:04 ‹Lilith› :cry:
05/03/2008 06:23:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› :cthulhu:
05/03/2008 06:23:33 ‹Timitius› Jason:  Didn't you say that you may be able to give a clue to your secret work at.....Paizocon?
05/03/2008 06:23:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› As far as gamemastery mods becoming pathfinder mods.. it is really just a name change for the most part... as far as I can tell... but I am a bit out of the loop so there may be some changes I am not yet privy too
05/03/2008 06:23:52 ‹Russ› I can heal and buff AND do damage, all in the same round, cause no one's figured out why people don't play clerics
05/03/2008 06:23:54 * Timitius is a shameless promoter...and a pimp to boot.
05/03/2008 06:23:55 * Crimson Jester joins Main
05/03/2008 06:23:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Tim: When is Paizocon again?
05/03/2008 06:24:02 ‹Russ› (my theory on why people don't play clerics is they are not fantasy icons)
05/03/2008 06:24:07 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Out of the loop, eh? :fry:
05/03/2008 06:24:09 ‹Timitius› April 26th.
05/03/2008 06:24:19 * Lilith wants to know why he is in this position...
05/03/2008 06:24:24 ‹Timitius› You have 54 days.....
05/03/2008 06:24:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Tim: I would hope so by then.. I will go crazy otherwise...
05/03/2008 06:24:30 ‹Russ› I think it is a good change. It always gave me pause that GM mods weren't generic like all the other GM products.
05/03/2008 06:24:34 ‹Mothman› Russ: Good theory
05/03/2008 06:24:35 ‹Crimson Jester› Ive known a lot of people to play Clerics
05/03/2008 06:25:01 ‹Samwise› paizocon?
05/03/2008 06:25:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› The thing is with 4E.. as far as I could tell.. is that since everyone has powers that do roughly the same damage, why not play a cleric who has the ability to easily heal others...
05/03/2008 06:25:43 * Samwise coughs
05/03/2008 06:25:45 ‹Timitius› Samwise:  http://roleplayers.meetup.com/456/
05/03/2008 06:25:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› But.. I should post a disclaimer.. I am talking about MY opinions.. not necessarily Paizo's...
05/03/2008 06:25:56 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: I was just about to do that for you...
05/03/2008 06:26:02 ‹Samwise› paladins and share your healing reserves around
05/03/2008 06:26:05 ‹Russ› *nods*
05/03/2008 06:26:05 ‹Somber Pygon› so they made rules that would make clerics not so necessary, but now a full party of clerics might be a norm :P
05/03/2008 06:26:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› We still have a lot to discuss at work about all this and there are a lot of factors to consider...
05/03/2008 06:26:21 ‹Russ› I see no reason to play a fighter or wizard in 4thE so far, but then I don't have the books.
05/03/2008 06:26:33 ‹Samwise› and i think that strikers do just that little bit more damage with their powers
05/03/2008 06:26:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Me neither
05/03/2008 06:26:36 ‹Crimson Jester› So Paizo will go 4E?
05/03/2008 06:26:43 ‹Timitius› :beer:  :beer:  :beer:  Here Jason...have another....tell me what you REALLY think...;-)
05/03/2008 06:26:48 ‹Samwise› especially cracked out elf rangers and teleporting eladrin rogues
05/03/2008 06:26:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Did you find out what's up with the GSL being so late?
05/03/2008 06:27:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Crimson: I do not have the answer to that question yet, there are a lot of variables that we do not yet have...
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05/03/2008 06:27:41 ‹Crimson Jester› Is it safe to say that a lot of calculations are being set onto wether or not you will?
05/03/2008 06:28:05 ‹Samwise› hmmmm
05/03/2008 06:28:06 * Daigle returns
05/03/2008 06:28:07 ‹Samwise› interesting
05/03/2008 06:28:12 ‹Daigle› Howdy again folks.
05/03/2008 06:28:16 ‹Mothman› So Jason, in your personal opinion (which is in no way to be construed as Paizos), does 4E seem like a game you would like to play? Perhaps a game you would choose to play over 3.5? (if you'd rather not say, that's cool)
05/03/2008 06:28:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey D
05/03/2008 06:28:36 ‹Mothman› Hi Daigle
05/03/2008 06:28:39 ‹Daigle› What's shakin' Crimson Jester?
05/03/2008 06:29:14 ‹Daigle› Are y'all beatin' up on Bulmahn?
05/03/2008 06:29:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle, while you were gone JJ turned into Bull Man.
05/03/2008 06:29:31 ‹Daigle› Ahh...weird.
05/03/2008 06:29:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: I honestly cannot say.. I have seen so little of it. Mind you, I play lots of games, from Gurps, Shadowrun, Vampire, D&D, Hol, Deadlands, Battlelords of the 23rd Century.. you name it, I have probably tried it out at least once.. I do not see 4E falling out side this group
05/03/2008 06:30:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› That said.. would I play it over 3.5 as my official "D&D"... I just don't know yet
05/03/2008 06:30:14 ‹Mothman› Battlelords of the 23rd Century? Don't know that one. Sounds cool!
05/03/2008 06:30:30 ‹Mothman› And very diplomatic answer  ;-)
05/03/2008 06:30:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: It is a really fun game.. although I do not believe it is made anymore...
05/03/2008 06:30:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: Why thank you :-)
05/03/2008 06:30:56 ‹Russ› I think this CAN work, but it will be such a break from old flavor that a lot of old stories just won't work
05/03/2008 06:31:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: And that is one of my big concerns right now
05/03/2008 06:31:25 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
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05/03/2008 06:31:46 ‹Russ› For example - no flight until the Paragon tier changes some things.
05/03/2008 06:32:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Exactly
05/03/2008 06:32:26 ‹ollibolli› spider climb?
05/03/2008 06:32:47 ‹Crimson Jester› I guess I have not paid much attention but HUH?!?! what exactly do we know about how the rules are gonna be except no Gnomes (Boo Hiss) and the are adding some silly races
05/03/2008 06:33:06 ‹Russ› A few pages of spells got revealed at D&D XP
05/03/2008 06:33:10 ‹Russ› and flight was something like level 12
05/03/2008 06:33:31 ‹Timitius› So, is Vancian magic OUT?
05/03/2008 06:33:31 ‹Russ› I think fey step at least requires LOS
05/03/2008 06:33:34 ‹ollibolli› urgs, what whould be a level 1 spell then
05/03/2008 06:33:41 ‹Russ› So we won't have 1st level eladrins bypassing locked doors
05/03/2008 06:33:44 ‹Mothman› Yeah, that really bothers me too - not being able to tell the old stories using the new rules
05/03/2008 06:33:48 ‹Russ› Yes, Vance is gone
05/03/2008 06:33:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ollibolli: This is another thing that concerns me.. I saw no simple powers like spider climb or obscuring mist or even shield of faith... all the characters seem to had attack powers and that is is
05/03/2008 06:33:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› it not is
05/03/2008 06:33:55 ‹Somber Pygon› level 1 is a magic missile that requires a to hit roll... :)
05/03/2008 06:34:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› GRRRRRRRRRRR
05/03/2008 06:34:24 * Somber Pygon ducks
05/03/2008 06:34:30 ‹Timitius› :shock:
05/03/2008 06:34:33 ‹Blazej› The keyboard is your friend.
05/03/2008 06:34:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I am going to write a lengthy blog some time here tonight summing up my limited observations...
05/03/2008 06:34:51 ‹Crimson Jester› I bet if you wanted to set it up you could make a "Feat" or something like it that gives you more power by making you have a Vancian style caster
05/03/2008 06:34:54 ‹Lilith› Looking forward to it Jason Bulmahn. :)
05/03/2008 06:35:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Suffice to say.. the Magic Missile bit really pushed my buttons.
05/03/2008 06:35:13 ‹Russ› Yeah. Bah.
05/03/2008 06:35:19 ‹Russ› Going from auto-hit to never hit.
05/03/2008 06:35:20 ‹Somber Pygon› we await it with worn out Refresh buttons.
05/03/2008 06:35:26 ‹Russ› I guess D&D XP, it was hitting sometimes :)
05/03/2008 06:35:29 ‹Crimson Jester› Magic missle should have a Ref save for 1/2 damage
05/03/2008 06:35:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well.. it may take me a bit, I need to pull together all my references....
05/03/2008 06:36:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Magic Missile should have been an Encounter Power that just did some damage... done and done...
05/03/2008 06:36:26 ‹Mothman› Remind us where your blog is located Jason? Or will it be on the Paizo blog?
05/03/2008 06:36:26 ‹ollibolli› touch attack AC is gone...how does a wizard hit then
05/03/2008 06:36:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Having a rule that says that every power requires an attack roll is just a rule for rule's sake
05/03/2008 06:36:40 ‹Russ› Int vs. AC.
05/03/2008 06:36:42 ‹Somber Pygon› by rolling against a defense value I guess
05/03/2008 06:36:47 ‹Russ› Er sorry
05/03/2008 06:36:49 ‹Russ› Int vs. Reflex
05/03/2008 06:37:01 ‹Russ› Reflex AC is the new touch AC. But it tends to be a damn sight higher.
05/03/2008 06:37:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› It will be my personal blog... located at http://iuztheevil.livejournal.com
05/03/2008 06:37:11 ‹Duicarthan› Olli> he steps on a tack and dies like all wizards of low level. Didnt you know? spellcasters are the suck compared to melee
05/03/2008 06:37:56 * Duicarthan is being sarcastic like usual
05/03/2008 06:37:59 ‹Timitius› Jason: I saw in the "interview" that you did actually like some things....like what?
05/03/2008 06:38:09 ‹Russ› My cleric/wizard issue is this:
05/03/2008 06:38:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Magic missile goes against Reflex.. meaning that you do not get any AC bonuses to your Defense.. only Dex or Int (I think)
05/03/2008 06:38:26 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is AFK
05/03/2008 06:38:29 ‹Russ› The wizard and the cleric do similar damage. But the cleric is healing or buffing at the same time it does similar damage. That is not "balance".
05/03/2008 06:39:02 ‹Somber Pygon› the wizard probably van do more damage to groups, so their balance is situational
05/03/2008 06:39:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius: I liked that each PC had something to do each round that was in line with his character concept... I liked that the group did not rest after two fights... I liked that 1st level PCs did not go down after one hit...
05/03/2008 06:39:08 ‹Russ› Reflex Defense appears to be: 10 + the higher mod of Int/Dex + 1/2 level + shield bonus + any defense bonuses (i.e. +2 for favored defense, +1 for a magic item....)
05/03/2008 06:39:22 ‹Russ› The clerics appear to have a lot of area damage.
05/03/2008 06:39:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: That sounds about right
05/03/2008 06:39:32 ‹Russ› I like the higher hp too.
05/03/2008 06:39:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Although i cannot confirm it directly
05/03/2008 06:39:39 ‹Russ› Good idea, and overdue for 3 editions now.
05/03/2008 06:39:51 ‹Timitius› In YOUR game....I'd like that last one too! :lol:
05/03/2008 06:40:01 ‹Samwise› the problem with the higher hp is as levels increase
05/03/2008 06:40:07 ‹Samwise› dragon taking 40 rounds to take down
05/03/2008 06:40:12 ‹Russ› To some extent, I like powers that reset each fight, and I do like the general concept of healing reserves. I think MORE powers should be limited use than are.
05/03/2008 06:40:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› timitius: Nice
05/03/2008 06:40:35 ‹Duicarthan› Samwise> give it time, the cheeseweasels will fix that one =P
05/03/2008 06:40:49 ‹Samwise› duic>i doubt it
05/03/2008 06:40:52 ‹Russ› Fort is the higher of Str/Con (it appears), Will the higher of Wis/Cha, I believe AC and Init are both the higher of Int/Dex
05/03/2008 06:41:21 ‹Samwise› barring some wondrous hits and failed saves with sleep, i see little in the power previews to indicate a dramatic rise in damage
05/03/2008 06:41:35 ‹Russ› The "roll to reset" a monster power seems clunky, as does the "roll to end" an ongoing effect
05/03/2008 06:41:44 ‹Samwise› every attack is X (weapon damage) + ability modifier
05/03/2008 06:41:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: So.. the thing is.. as far as I can tell.. is that your damage dealing capabilities scale right up with HP and every other level related variable.. so the game is indeed balanced at all levels... but it is a strange solution, because if you fight things outside your range, the fight is either way too easy, or way too hard...
05/03/2008 06:41:50 ‹Russ› The large black dragn has possitively lame damage
05/03/2008 06:42:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: Right.. except that... monster damage scales much slower...
05/03/2008 06:42:19 ‹Samwise› Jason>look at the 23rd level paladin smite, it does 2 x weapon damage as a base
05/03/2008 06:42:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I am not 100% sure I could kill a PC in this system without being grossly unfair
05/03/2008 06:42:33 ‹Samwise› the damage capability will only scale up with the magic item bonus
05/03/2008 06:42:34 ‹Russ› It is not clear to me how damage is going to scale yet
05/03/2008 06:42:41 ‹Russ› (I mean in terms of PC damage)
05/03/2008 06:42:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› But without the complete rules, I am not sure that is true.. yet
05/03/2008 06:42:56 ‹Samwise› or, if you go low magic, the gratuitous bonus you award for leveling
05/03/2008 06:42:56 ‹Somber Pygon› I'm not sure how two dragons could kill each other!
05/03/2008 06:43:06 ‹Timitius› Jason: Retire the meteroic die????  :shock:
05/03/2008 06:43:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: I heard at the con that it just gets bigger.. the damage of higher level abilities is just more
05/03/2008 06:43:29 ‹Russ› Things that also bug me: that monsters are dead when they are reduced to 0, but PCs aren't. That monsters APPEAR to never get second wind is another.
05/03/2008 06:43:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius: This is also a major concern for me
05/03/2008 06:43:46 ‹Russ› Yeah, but look at the frickin' pit fiend's hp
05/03/2008 06:44:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: That black dragon I fought got a second wind.. damn thing had 350 hp by the end
05/03/2008 06:44:13 ‹Samwise› one of the web articles said critters get healing surges now
05/03/2008 06:44:22 ‹Samwise› 1 at heroic, 2 at paragon, 3 at epic
05/03/2008 06:44:27 ‹ollibolli› How do you subdue a foe then? forfurther questionning or for his own good?
05/03/2008 06:44:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Why not just give the monsters more HP then.. it just would be easier
05/03/2008 06:44:48 ‹Russ› I guess he only has 350 - why the heck does that dragon have 280 hp??
05/03/2008 06:44:58 ‹Blazej› Just say your subduing them?
05/03/2008 06:45:01 ‹Samwise› because using a second wind takes a standard action?
05/03/2008 06:45:13 ‹Samwise› and gives a +2 to all defenses while doing so
05/03/2008 06:45:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: I have no idea.. but if 4th level PCs do not do about twice as much damage as 1st level PCs.. we have a problem.. it took us forever to beat it
05/03/2008 06:45:53 * Samwise notes that he ran the delve for one slot
05/03/2008 06:45:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: I guess...
05/03/2008 06:46:00 ‹Russ› *nods* I think they'll only do more dice.
05/03/2008 06:46:11 ‹Somber Pygon› even a 20% boost in power would be very noticable
05/03/2008 06:46:14 * Jason Bulmahn has both the mods... and sees your point
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05/03/2008 06:46:27 ‹Russ› Glad to see monsters get a 2nd wind now.
05/03/2008 06:46:43 ‹Russ› not sure that they need more at higher tier, that seems like begging for bogdown
05/03/2008 06:46:45 ‹Samwise› looking at the abilities they have posted, i do not see base damage increasing for higher level abilities
05/03/2008 06:46:52 ‹Wyvern› It's late, gotta go... have fun all.
05/03/2008 06:47:00 ‹Somber Pygon› gnite Wyvern
05/03/2008 06:47:03 ‹Daigle› Later Wyvern
05/03/2008 06:47:13 ‹Timitius› So, in that 40 rounds, did it just turn into a drudge....move, hit, heal, repeat?  Or was it a truly active and fun 40 rounds?
05/03/2008 06:47:16 ‹ollibolli› I will have breakfast now and wil return for a short time before I leave
05/03/2008 06:47:18 ‹Crimson Jester› actually thats not a bad idea to make a memoral fight last longer but it would suck with goblins getting second winds and you never have a chance to kill the little buggers
05/03/2008 06:47:20 ‹ollibolli› bbl
05/03/2008 06:47:24 ‹Samwise› from other things they have posted, i see only one very consistent source of increase: magical items
05/03/2008 06:47:24 ‹Russ› Well, the spells for example - there aren't that any dice in the high level spells
05/03/2008 06:47:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yeah I better split.:sleep:
05/03/2008 06:47:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: It has too.. the HP scale too high.. I heard mention that at higher levels, some PCs get powers that do up to 5 times a weapons base damage
05/03/2008 06:47:35 ‹Samwise› a fourth level pc gets a +2 item
05/03/2008 06:47:46 ‹Rambling Scribe› GNight All!
05/03/2008 06:47:56 ‹Somber Pygon› gnite Scribe
05/03/2008 06:47:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night rambling
05/03/2008 06:47:59 ‹Samwise› Jason>ahhhh, ok, again, i havent seen any of those
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05/03/2008 06:48:06 ‹Russ› 15th level attack power: 6d6+Int.
05/03/2008 06:48:16 ‹Russ› That's not gonna be very impressive - 6d6+6 maybe?
05/03/2008 06:48:29 ‹Samwise› +5 for a +5 implement
05/03/2008 06:48:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sure.. but remember, the whole party is going to be throwing those kind of powers around
05/03/2008 06:48:54 ‹Somber Pygon› not to mention spells and powers that increase that damage
05/03/2008 06:48:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Not to mention... other weird sub-powers and damage adds...
05/03/2008 06:49:01 ‹Samwise› im seeing that as key, implements and weapons are going to add a static bonus constantly
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05/03/2008 06:49:05 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Craig
05/03/2008 06:49:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Like from marks, ranger abilities, sneak attack, etc
05/03/2008 06:49:26 ‹Samwise› and that, over 5 pcs, will add up
05/03/2008 06:49:32 ‹Samwise› sneak attack scales slowly
05/03/2008 06:49:37 ‹Samwise› what, 4d6 at most?
05/03/2008 06:49:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› True.. but it still adds up
05/03/2008 06:49:47 ‹Samwise› yes
05/03/2008 06:50:08 ‹Russ› I think we'll find H and P tiers did not get much testing 
06:50:27 ‹Duicarthan› spell crits would help
05/03/2008 06:50:28 ‹Duicarthan› spell crits would help
05/03/2008 06:50:37 ‹Samwise› however, i think damage output versus hit points may be an issue
05/03/2008 06:50:38 ‹Duicarthan› damned lag
05/03/2008 06:50:39 ‹Samwise› spells can crit
05/03/2008 06:50:46 ‹Russ› yep. automax damage
05/03/2008 06:50:50 ‹Timitius› So, Jason: How'd you do in the mini tourney?
05/03/2008 06:50:58 ‹Russ› Coming back to the pit fiend - positively wimpy damage output
05/03/2008 06:51:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius: As good as I always seem to do :-(
05/03/2008 06:51:29 * mortellan joins Main
05/03/2008 06:51:32 ‹Samwise› Russ>i agree
05/03/2008 06:51:40 ‹Samwise› that pit fiend damage is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak
05/03/2008 06:51:48 ‹Russ› When you look at most monsters fighting themselves, you go "that's gonna be a long fight"
05/03/2008 06:51:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: Yup.. once again.. I am not sure how I am going to kill PCs...
05/03/2008 06:51:53 ‹Samwise› it will do it constantly, but big whoop
05/03/2008 06:52:06 ‹Samwise› Jason>as you said, deliberate, unreasonable, targeting ;)
05/03/2008 06:52:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› And if you have any fire resistance (which a 27th level PC should have).. it does very very little
05/03/2008 06:52:25 ‹Russ› Jason> seems likely three ways: TPK, hit when down, or bleed out
05/03/2008 06:52:48 ‹Samwise› im thinking hit when down
05/03/2008 06:52:52 ‹Timitius› He's got help from the Heavens though.....
05/03/2008 06:52:53 ‹Samwise› primarily
05/03/2008 06:53:09 ‹Crimson Jester› ahh but there is always a good simple way of killing PCs, other then targeting them with the Green arrow of doom that is, and now it maybe easier to use.... recuring villian and old enemies
05/03/2008 06:53:15 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: Yup... that seems to be the only real way... TPK seems the most reliable.. hits when down is vendictive.. and bleed out seems unlikely
05/03/2008 06:53:26 ‹Russ› We can guess a rogue at that level will have about 150 hp
05/03/2008 06:53:44 ‹Russ› It seems to only take 3 rounds to bleed out, so I think it'll happen some of the time.
05/03/2008 06:54:08 ‹Somber Pygon› In 3.5e hitting when down seems more valid when the monsters don't care if that they are being beat on by others.
05/03/2008 06:54:09 ‹Samwise› barring a save or a healing word
05/03/2008 06:54:14 ‹Samwise› or lay on hands
05/03/2008 06:54:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yup... but only if the group lets it happen
05/03/2008 06:54:28 ‹Samwise› i think thats another key weak point
05/03/2008 06:54:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Or a heal check
05/03/2008 06:54:35 ‹Russ› Yeah, there's lots of ways to keep it from happening, but I think the short timer will kick it a few times. Especially if you get dropped twice in the same fight.
05/03/2008 06:54:36 ‹Samwise› well, healing word was minor action
05/03/2008 06:54:48 ‹Samwise› have to be pretty lame to now take a minor action
05/03/2008 06:54:57 ‹Samwise› except as russ just said :P
05/03/2008 06:55:02 ‹Samwise› dropping twice in a fight
05/03/2008 06:55:12 ‹Mothman› alright, Im out, see you folks
05/03/2008 06:55:13 ‹Russ› I totally agree it is going to be rare :)
05/03/2008 06:55:19 ‹Somber Pygon› gnite Moth
05/03/2008 06:55:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hence.. everyone should play a cleric :-)
05/03/2008 06:55:26 ‹Samwise› or paladin
05/03/2008 06:55:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yup
05/03/2008 06:55:31 ‹Russ› *nods*
05/03/2008 06:55:32 ‹Samwise› and trade those healing surges around
05/03/2008 06:55:40 * Duicarthan sighs
05/03/2008 06:55:41 ‹Russ› Play a paladin, mark, leave the room
05/03/2008 06:55:49 ‹Samwise› oh, and be a dwarf and second wind as a minor action ;)
05/03/2008 06:55:53 ‹Russ› You know, fine, they are patching that now - but how did that hole get all the way to D&D XP?
05/03/2008 06:56:02 ‹Samwise› actually . . .
05/03/2008 06:56:08 * Mothman quit
05/03/2008 06:56:10 ‹Samwise› what scares me more is this discussion
05/03/2008 06:56:26 ‹Samwise› the games not out and evil weasels are already on the verge of breaking it
05/03/2008 06:56:41 * HG is AFK quit (timeout)
05/03/2008 06:56:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› See.. this is a big concern for me as well.. they had to make some on the fly changes as the show... and make a bunch of notes for changes to take back with them to Wotc...
05/03/2008 06:56:57 ‹Russ› I'll have to see if these are really exploits :) but the paladin mark one sure was real
05/03/2008 06:56:58 ‹Samwise› thats a doubleplusungood alert right there
05/03/2008 06:57:10 ‹Russ› i think they're relying on the online rules database a bit much
05/03/2008 06:57:18 ‹Russ› the idea that they'll "software patch" the game is kind of spooky
05/03/2008 06:57:31 ‹Samwise› to cover for failures of testing?
05/03/2008 06:57:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Combine this with the fact that they told me they are sending it to the printers in two weeks and I am really concerned that this is a rush job to some extent.. but I may have misunderstood... I hope
05/03/2008 06:57:36 ‹Russ› But...hey...3rd would be a better game if they did that with 3rd, so I shouldn't knock it
05/03/2008 06:57:51 ‹Russ› Nah, that's my attitude. That not only is the market not ready, WotC isn't ready.
05/03/2008 06:57:57 ‹Samwise› i thought the phb was already at the printers?
05/03/2008 06:57:58 ‹Russ› They rushed it, which smacks of an outside timeline.
05/03/2008 06:57:58 ‹Crimson Jester› :typerhappy:
05/03/2008 06:58:01 ‹mortellan› how many years between 3 and 3.5?
05/03/2008 06:58:05 ‹Samwise› 3
05/03/2008 06:58:06 ‹Russ› You guys have caught that DI won't be out?
05/03/2008 06:58:14 ‹Samwise› it wont?
05/03/2008 06:58:15 ‹Jason Bulmahn› ?
05/03/2008 06:58:19 ‹Crimson Jester› really?
05/03/2008 06:58:23 ‹Russ› Officially, DI will now "ship when ready", even if that's not launch
05/03/2008 06:58:26 * mortellan laughs
05/03/2008 06:58:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Interesting
05/03/2008 06:58:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I missed that
05/03/2008 06:58:34 ‹Samwise› i mean, having the beta sign up at ddxp is a pretty obvious sign
05/03/2008 06:58:43 ‹Samwise› ahhhhhhhhhhh
05/03/2008 06:58:49 ‹Samwise› yeah, i missed it too
05/03/2008 06:58:49 ‹Russ› That, as a guy in the software industry, is about 80% likely to be code for "we're slipping, and we'll tell you in a month or two"
05/03/2008 06:58:57 ‹Samwise› and ive caught a lot of things from them
05/03/2008 06:58:59 ‹Crimson Jester› you know this smacks of :cthulhu:
05/03/2008 06:59:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› The Paladin mark thing was the only thing that allowed my group to beat the dragon BTW
05/03/2008 06:59:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Guess who was playing the paladin :-)
05/03/2008 06:59:27 ‹Samwise› for example, notice the implosion of setting books?
05/03/2008 06:59:29 * Samwise snickers
05/03/2008 06:59:55 ‹Russ› The build we saw was "Pre-Alpha," and represents the current version of the software. Attendees had the opportunity to volunteer for a public beta of the software, and Chris and Didier guessed that the full D&D Insider would launch "close to the launch of 4e." However, they stressed that they wouldn't push the product out "until it's ready," and acknowledged the importance of getting it "right" fr
05/03/2008 07:00:03 ‹Samwise› and the retreat from crunchy bits in everything
05/03/2008 07:00:10 ‹Somber Pygon› I was under the impression that the margin for being out of your league was going to be more forgiving in 4e, not make the fights trivial or take forever
05/03/2008 07:00:18 ‹Russ› "right" from moment one
05/03/2008 07:00:27 ‹Russ› (that's from the enworld DI interview)
05/03/2008 07:00:34 * Timitius sighs and continues plans to buy 3.5 books.  Planescape, wherefore art thou Planescape?
05/03/2008 07:00:37 ‹Russ› DDI, I guess, DI is the old digitial Initiative
05/03/2008 07:00:38 ‹Samwise› Russ>i also noticed the comment about designing the rules with the DI in mind
05/03/2008 07:01:02 ‹Samwise› will the rules get errataed if they cant be coded "properly"?
05/03/2008 07:01:09 ‹Russ› Samwise> Really shows in the spell list. The spells read like entries in a computer manual, they are so brief.
05/03/2008 07:01:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Heh
05/03/2008 07:01:22 ‹Russ› The DDI price is right, I have to give them that
05/03/2008 07:01:28 ‹Russ› $10 a month (yearly sub) is hard to kick about
05/03/2008 07:01:31 ‹Samwise› "we cant right code for that spell to work, so change the spell"
05/03/2008 07:01:48 ‹Crimson Jester› Planescape......3.5 = Paizon Dragon Mag
05/03/2008 07:01:50 * Samwise coughs on himself
05/03/2008 07:01:54 ‹Samwise› right = write
05/03/2008 07:02:23 ‹Russ› I'm pretty sure I can have some fun playing this game. I hope I can find a way to have fun running it.
05/03/2008 07:02:32 ‹Samwise› otoh, scott rouse impressed me with them having a plan
05/03/2008 07:02:36 ‹Russ› And I do think making fights last more rounds is moi overdue.
05/03/2008 07:02:47 ‹Samwise› and a good one
05/03/2008 07:03:14 ‹Samwise› its just whether the game is as good
05/03/2008 07:03:43 ‹Somber Pygon› oy 2am, I have to go.  Thanks for your info Jason!
05/03/2008 07:03:50 ‹Somber Pygon› gnite all
05/03/2008 07:03:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› We will see.. I have reservations right now... and the game has a lot to prove to me.. 3.5 set the bar pretty high
05/03/2008 07:04:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› But that said.. it is not impossible.
05/03/2008 07:04:06 ‹Samwise› well . . .
05/03/2008 07:04:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Somber.