02:46:04 * James Jacobs joins Main 26/03/2008 02:46:14 ‹Karelzarath› Kobold Quarterly 02:46:16 ‹Takasi› JJ! 26/03/2008 02:46:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy to everyone that Howdy! 26/03/2008 02:46:22 ‹Russ› Next year this time, I hope to be running some Pathfinder at Gamestorm 26/03/2008 02:46:29 ‹Pygon› hi James 26/03/2008 02:46:24 ‹Charles Evans› Orog is an overpowetred character race... The strength bonus is higher than the Level adjustment r something silly like that, or at least it was in Races of Faerun if I recall correctly. 26/03/2008 02:46:24 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› James Jacobs! :glomp: 26/03/2008 02:46:26 ‹mdavidj› ah hah! 26/03/2008 02:46:36 ‹Turin the Mad› Daigle = WR ? lol 26/03/2008 02:46:41 ‹Daigle› Thanks for picking up the subscriptions Takasi and Karelzarath!! 26/03/2008 02:46:41 ‹Ross› Jeff Alvarez, so Paizo will have a MM surrogate, just not immediately? 26/03/2008 02:46:50 ‹Daigle› I hope y'all liked the traps. 26/03/2008 02:46:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs!:raptor: 26/03/2008 02:47:00 ‹Daigle› Howdy James! 26/03/2008 02:47:02 ‹Dorgar› Hi James 26/03/2008 02:47:11 ‹Ross› JJ! 26/03/2008 02:47:12 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Ross> Think so 26/03/2008 02:47:13 ‹Karelzarath› Haven't read all the way through it, but the art and layout are nice. :) 26/03/2008 02:47:16 ‹Takasi› the orog was an enemy, he drank a potion of enlarge and another of haste while the party was fighting two smaller minions, then he chopped the player in half with his double sided axe 26/03/2008 02:47:17 * Russ wants to rewrite some monsters for 3.X 26/03/2008 02:47:31 ‹Daigle› WR? 26/03/2008 02:47:47 ‹James Jacobs› Aloha! 26/03/2008 02:48:04 ‹Turin the Mad› I don't know whom is whom, thought Wayne Reynolds did KQ 26/03/2008 02:48:04 * Charles Evans quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:48:05 * quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:48:05 * Charles Evans quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:48:12 ‹Jeff Alvarez› That was quick Jimmie-Jake 26/03/2008 02:48:12 ‹James Jacobs› Am I lagged? 26/03/2008 02:48:16 ‹James Jacobs› I am. 26/03/2008 02:48:40 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Turin the Mad: Wayne Reynolds is an artist. Kobold Quarterly is done by Wolfgang Baur. 26/03/2008 02:48:46 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› James Jacobs: Yeah...:( 26/03/2008 02:48:49 ‹Pygon› pings are high right now/ 26/03/2008 02:48:56 ‹Turin the Mad› d'oh 26/03/2008 02:49:02 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle = Daigle 26/03/2008 02:49:07 ‹Wyvern› Pings are high, sell! 26/03/2008 02:49:14 ‹Jeff Alvarez› 3518 26/03/2008 02:49:32 ‹Karelzarath› 2908 26/03/2008 02:49:35 ‹Dorgar› lol Wyvern 26/03/2008 02:49:40 * Daigle is indeed Daigle 26/03/2008 02:49:43 ‹mdavidj› ugh.. nasty nasty lag, we hates it preciousss 26/03/2008 02:49:47 * Admin Lilith is AFC jiggles her connection... 26/03/2008 02:49:48 ‹Takasi› 172 ms, working fine here :P 26/03/2008 02:49:49 ‹Karelzarath› How ya been, Daigle? 26/03/2008 02:49:50 * Charles Evans quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:49:57 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Must get this lag fingered out. 26/03/2008 02:50:06 * James Jacobs quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:50:16 ‹Pygon› whoops 26/03/2008 02:50:20 ‹Turin the Mad› I'm hovering at 3k ms ping 26/03/2008 02:50:21 ‹Karelzarath› Don't diddle the lag or it'll stay. 26/03/2008 02:50:37 ‹Daigle› Karelzarath, I've been rockin'! How's your world? 26/03/2008 02:50:40 ‹Turin the Mad› we're DOOMED! 26/03/2008 02:51:12 ‹Ross› Karelzarath, that's filthy. Funny, but filthy. 26/03/2008 02:51:13 ‹Daigle› Karelzarath: :lol: 26/03/2008 02:51:16 * Scede quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:51:16 * Scede quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:51:23 ‹mdavidj› diddle the lag.. lol 26/03/2008 02:51:27 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: Not as excellent as yours, apparently. :) Lilith's made me her indentured servant, so it's not all bad. 26/03/2008 02:51:56 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Karelzarath: :devilish: 26/03/2008 02:52:01 * mdavidj changes his/her nickname to mdavidj is away fighting shogg 26/03/2008 02:52:04 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Karelzarath: Dance monkey dance! :whip: 26/03/2008 02:52:14 ‹Karelzarath› :dance: 26/03/2008 02:52:45 * DMcCoy1693 joins Main 26/03/2008 02:52:52 ‹Russ› Joy, I get to run a 4th ed preview adventure 26/03/2008 02:53:09 ‹Karelzarath› Uh, congrats? 26/03/2008 02:53:16 ‹Pygon› you sound overwhelmed with enthusiasm. 26/03/2008 02:53:17 * Admin Lilith is AFC checks server stats... 26/03/2008 02:53:23 ‹DMcCoy1693› Hey everyone 26/03/2008 02:53:28 * The Last Rogue joins Main 26/03/2008 02:53:31 ‹Pygon› hi DM 26/03/2008 02:53:33 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Hey DMcCoy1693! :glomp: 26/03/2008 02:53:37 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Hi DM 26/03/2008 02:53:41 ‹Dorgar› Hello DMcCoy 26/03/2008 02:53:44 ‹Turin the Mad› ola 26/03/2008 02:53:45 * Pygon casts displacement 26/03/2008 02:53:46 ‹Sir Wulf› We all know how impressed you were with the experience that is 4E, Russ. 26/03/2008 02:53:52 * James Jacobs joins Main 26/03/2008 02:54:04 * Moth working changes his/her nickname to Mothman 26/03/2008 02:54:08 ‹Pygon› welcome back James 26/03/2008 02:54:09 ‹Karelzarath› Ping to the server is 90 ms. 26/03/2008 02:54:13 ‹Jeff Alvarez› James is back and he brough the lag 26/03/2008 02:54:14 * Mothman quit 26/03/2008 02:54:15 ‹Sir Wulf› Mr. Jacobs! Again! 26/03/2008 02:54:21 ‹Daigle› Howdy Rogue and McCoy! 26/03/2008 02:54:26 ‹Dorgar› Welcome back Sir 26/03/2008 02:54:28 * tensor needs a big ass deal 26/03/2008 02:54:29 ‹Wyvern› Hey James! 26/03/2008 02:54:35 ‹DMcCoy1693› how's it goin gang? 26/03/2008 02:54:35 ‹Daigle› WB James 26/03/2008 02:54:43 ‹Turin the Mad› aaiieee!! 26/03/2008 02:54:43 ‹Sir Wulf› I need to get on my dial-up. Then lag will be normal and won't bother me. 26/03/2008 02:54:46 ‹James Jacobs› Okay! 26/03/2008 02:54:47 ‹Karelzarath› Unfortunately, he brought enough for everyone. 26/03/2008 02:55:03 ‹Jeff Alvarez› lol 26/03/2008 02:55:07 ‹DMcCoy1693› JAMES!!! 26/03/2008 02:55:15 ‹Karelzarath› There's only one cure for lag: :beer::beer::beer: 26/03/2008 02:55:16 ‹Wyvern› How are you feeling James? 26/03/2008 02:55:18 * Mothman joins Main 26/03/2008 02:55:31 ‹Fray in hiding› :ahoy: 26/03/2008 02:55:39 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Eeexcellent. They've released an update for the chat room. 26/03/2008 02:55:46 ‹Karelzarath› Schweet! 26/03/2008 02:55:54 ‹tensor› what's it say? 26/03/2008 02:55:59 ‹Fray in hiding› coolio 26/03/2008 02:56:01 ‹Karelzarath› Are we getting kicked whilst you apply it? 26/03/2008 02:56:06 ‹The Last Rogue› Daigle . . .I got the news and the e-mail about your new adventure . . .but alas I cannot download it! 26/03/2008 02:56:16 ‹Turin the Mad› Alpha 1.1 ? 26/03/2008 02:56:19 ‹James Jacobs› I am still sick. Getting better, but not as quickly as I want. 26/03/2008 02:56:26 ‹Mothman› Hey James, how are you doing? 26/03/2008 02:56:30 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Karelzarath: No, not yet. I'll give fair warning. 26/03/2008 02:56:43 ‹Daigle› Rogue...why's that? 26/03/2008 02:56:59 ‹Turin the Mad› go hide in a pile of plushies James ... and bring a stash of chow 26/03/2008 02:57:09 ‹Mothman› tensor - you need a big ass deal .... ? 26/03/2008 02:57:15 ‹The Last Rogue› The linky that the esteemed Mr. Baur sent to KQ subscribers just sends me to the nether regions of the web 26/03/2008 02:57:23 ‹tensor› yes, to make 150 million 26/03/2008 02:57:36 ‹Karelzarath› ?? I like big butts and I cannot lie... ?? 26/03/2008 02:57:36 ‹DMcCoy1693› For all those interested, Horton Hears A Who is a pretty darn good movie (just felt I should inform everyone). 26/03/2008 02:57:38 ‹tensor› cotton balls 26/03/2008 02:57:49 ‹Turin the Mad› he's tired of his small ass 26/03/2008 02:58:00 ‹Karelzarath› Sounds vaguely unpleasant, The Last Rogue 26/03/2008 02:58:07 ‹Daigle› The Last Rogue...poop! Email Wolfgang, I'm certain he will sort it out. 26/03/2008 02:58:07 ‹The Last Rogue› I wll try again this evening, then if that fails I will harass Baur himself . . . I will not be denied sweet Gnome on Kobold ACTION!!! DO YOU HEAR ME GODS? 26/03/2008 02:58:11 ‹tensor› i heard some people can make diamonds intheir ass 26/03/2008 02:58:21 ‹Jeff Alvarez› JJ, tell everyone how much you enjoyed the last movie you saw. 26/03/2008 02:58:26 ‹Fray in hiding› For anyone else interested Ghost Rider sucked. 26/03/2008 02:58:40 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› James Jacobs: yes, tell us about Shutter. :P 26/03/2008 02:58:42 ‹Sir Wulf› Sweet gnome on kobold action? I didn't think it was THAT kind of roleplaying. 26/03/2008 02:58:47 ‹Fray in hiding› Lilith our calendar is a success! :glomp: 26/03/2008 02:58:52 * Takasi quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 02:58:55 ‹The Last Rogue› Shutter is playing at my theatre right now . . . 26/03/2008 02:58:56 * Fray in hiding changes his/her nickname to fray 26/03/2008 02:59:05 ‹Turin the Mad› ... at least they're not cross-species fertile 26/03/2008 02:59:08 ‹Daigle› Sir Wulf...Ah, what you don't know, my friend... 26/03/2008 02:59:11 ‹James Jacobs› You mean "Shutter," Jeff? The movie that broke my expectation that 10,000 BC would be the worst movie I saw all year? 26/03/2008 02:59:19 ‹James Jacobs› Turns out, Shutter is No Good. 26/03/2008 02:59:25 * Pygon googles Shutter. 26/03/2008 02:59:30 ‹Mothman› I hear that James Keegan did the illustrations for Daigle's adventure 26/03/2008 02:59:31 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Yes, that one 26/03/2008 02:59:32 ‹The Last Rogue› Another Japanese horror ripoff? 26/03/2008 02:59:42 ‹Jeff Alvarez› What did you call it 26/03/2008 02:59:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Sorry. Timed out there; did you have an answer to my query regarding Nightspear, or dd you not even see the question? 26/03/2008 02:59:43 * Daigle shutters Google. 26/03/2008 02:59:55 ‹tensor› Moth: oh, yes. I have read it and seen the art work. 26/03/2008 02:59:55 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Fray in hiding: Woo-hoo! :D 26/03/2008 03:00:00 ‹DMcCoy1693› {b]James[/b] :lol: 26/03/2008 03:00:08 ‹Daigle› Mothman, James Keegan did indeed do the illustrations! 26/03/2008 03:00:11 * Takasi joins Main 26/03/2008 03:00:19 * Karelzarath shuts Googlers 26/03/2008 03:00:22 ‹James Jacobs› I believe the original Shutter was made in Thailand, actually. 26/03/2008 03:00:33 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Changelog notes: "Finally the refresh_delay_steps parameter has been added to dynamically adjust the chat refresh speed depending on the chat activity: the more the chat is active, the more it is responsive." 26/03/2008 03:00:33 ‹Sir Wulf› You didn't like 10,000 BC? After the ecstatic reviews? (Quoth the reviewer: "I didn't expect much, and they didn't disappoint.";) 26/03/2008 03:00:34 ‹Russ› You paid money for 10,000 BC? I smelled that one before setting foor in a theater 26/03/2008 03:00:35 ‹James Jacobs› I did not see any Nightspear questions, Charles. What was the question? 26/03/2008 03:00:46 ‹Russ› Ghost rider had only a normal level of suckage 26/03/2008 03:00:47 ‹Mothman› tensor: Havent got KQ (or the adventure) yet, but saw the art on James Blog - awesomeness! 26/03/2008 03:01:05 ‹The Last Rogue› Ghost Rider was a let down for me. 26/03/2008 03:01:23 ‹Mothman› And congrats on your adventure Daigle 26/03/2008 03:01:23 ‹Hill Giant› Nick Cage does an excellent Elvis impersonation 03:01:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; 10,000 BC was BOOOOORING. But oh well. Part of my goal to see 52 movies released in 2008 in the same year they're released. 26/03/2008 03:01:42 ‹Daigle› Thank you Mothman! 26/03/2008 03:01:45 * tensor quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:01:46 ‹Karelzarath› Vantage Point was "meh" 26/03/2008 03:01:50 * Takasi changes his/her nickname to Takasi AFC Prepping Burning Sk 26/03/2008 03:02:18 ‹James Jacobs› Ghost Rider was the 2nd worst movie of 2007 that I saw. Only one that was worse last year was "The Condemned." 26/03/2008 03:02:21 ‹The Last Rogue› But I have come to realize that comics translate differently on film and can't be compared too closely to the paper product 26/03/2008 03:02:33 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Pathfinder 2, the article at the back on Desna; it mentions an avoral, 'Nightspear', on the list of possible planar allies, along with two others. 26/03/2008 03:03:03 ‹Wyvern› I saw "Hitman" over the weekend. The movie is way better than the game in my opinion. 26/03/2008 03:03:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Does nightspear have a favoured form of money for services? It gives them for the other two allies listed. 26/03/2008 03:03:22 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main 26/03/2008 03:03:42 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason Bulmahn! 26/03/2008 03:03:43 ‹Wyvern› Heya Jason 26/03/2008 03:03:46 ‹Fray in hiding› James I'd have to say The Condemned was MUCH better than Ghost Rider 26/03/2008 03:03:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hi Everybody 26/03/2008 03:03:54 ‹DMcCoy1693› James Do you think that 10,000BC would be better if it got a Rifftrax? [url=http://www.rifftrax.com/]link[/url] 26/03/2008 03:03:55 ‹James Jacobs› Nightspear has a cameo of sorts in "A History of Ashes" in Pathfinder #10. And no... he doesn't have a favored form of money for services. 26/03/2008 03:04:01 ‹Pygon› greetings Jason 26/03/2008 03:04:03 ‹Fray in hiding› Hiya James 26/03/2008 03:04:04 ‹Turin the Mad› o/ 26/03/2008 03:04:08 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Jason, I think Ross has some questions for you! 26/03/2008 03:04:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ahhh.. quite a bit quieter tonight... 26/03/2008 03:04:19 ‹James Jacobs› No way, Fray! At least Ghost Rider had some imagination involved! The Condemned was DOA. 26/03/2008 03:04:20 ‹Turin the Mad› "service for service" 26/03/2008 03:04:38 ‹Fray in hiding› Hitman was pretty cool 26/03/2008 03:04:43 ‹James Jacobs› I am very much awaiting the Riff Trax for 10,000 BC. 26/03/2008 03:04:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hiya Jeff, James... long time no see 26/03/2008 03:04:52 ‹Karelzarath› Bow chicka wow wow 26/03/2008 03:04:55 ‹Balthaczar› love rifftrax 26/03/2008 03:04:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Thank you. 26/03/2008 03:05:14 ‹Karelzarath› All hail the Bulmahn! Savior of the gaming table! :) 26/03/2008 03:05:14 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Buhlman! Any chance that we'll see an upgrade of the Aristocrat class, fr use by PCs or villains in the Pathfinder RPG? 26/03/2008 03:05:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles.. quite likely 26/03/2008 03:05:29 ‹DMcCoy1693› Hey Bulmahn, I'm loving the alpha release 26/03/2008 03:05:32 ‹Fray in hiding› JJ but with the Condemned you had that expectation... which makes it better than Elementals as demons piece of crap... 26/03/2008 03:05:34 ‹Ross› Jason, how much of the Alpha document was 'overshooting' the intended level of change for playtesting purposes? 26/03/2008 03:05:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks... 26/03/2008 03:05:49 ‹Karelzarath› No way, Charles. He's gotta do the commoner first! 26/03/2008 03:05:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross: A bit... not too much... 26/03/2008 03:05:53 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLMAN! :glomp: :beer: 26/03/2008 03:05:59 ‹Ross› Since the power level is so much greater and the do 26/03/2008 03:06:01 * Russ barely goes to the movies any more 26/03/2008 03:06:09 ‹Russ› Jason! 26/03/2008 03:06:10 ‹Turin the Mad› alphabetical order ? 26/03/2008 03:06:28 ‹Ross› Since the power level is so much greater and it's not as backward compatible as it first looks? 26/03/2008 03:06:29 ‹Fray in hiding› Stone Cold Steve Astin was the better actor than Nick Cage 26/03/2008 03:06:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› When I get around to the NPC classes, I will probably do all of them at once 26/03/2008 03:06:45 ‹Wyvern› Jason, can you spill what tomorrows update will contain? 26/03/2008 03:06:46 ‹Sir Wulf› Egad! 26/03/2008 03:06:48 ‹Fray in hiding› Jason Dig the Alpha 26/03/2008 03:07:03 * Ross apologizes for half post. Blames the cat 26/03/2008 03:07:03 ‹Karelzarath› A lump of wet moss is a better actor than Nick Cage. 26/03/2008 03:07:20 * Daigle played four encounters of Alpha last Sunday! 26/03/2008 03:07:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross: I am not sure it is bad as you might think it is... and don't let the cat type :-) 26/03/2008 03:07:22 ‹Mothman› Hey Jason, thanks for the alpha - its certainly given us a lot to discuss! 26/03/2008 03:07:25 ‹Jeff Alvarez› I'm heading home! Catch you all later. 26/03/2008 03:07:28 * mdavidj quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:07:28 * mdavidj quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:07:39 ‹Pygon› bye Jeff, thanks for stopping in 26/03/2008 03:07:41 ‹Daigle› Bye Jeff Alvarez! 26/03/2008 03:07:44 ‹Wyvern› See ya Jeff 26/03/2008 03:07:47 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: I'm happy to hear that; I've been longing for Villainous nobles who don't have to cross-class to be effective menaces... I was thinking Aristocrat class might be allowed to pick up feats normally allowed to fighters, given their posh weapons schools available to them? 26/03/2008 03:07:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wyvern: So I see the news of the update has already reached here... I have said update in front of me... and will answer any questions you might have 26/03/2008 03:07:54 ‹Mothman› See you Jeff 26/03/2008 03:08:00 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Later Jeff Alvarez! :glomp: 26/03/2008 03:08:01 * Watcher joins Main 26/03/2008 03:08:02 ‹Sir Wulf› I'd disagree about Nick Cage, but I watched "Vampire Kiss", so I 26/03/2008 03:08:08 ‹Fray in hiding› Jason The Alpha Feats, the general ones that are Fighter bonus feats in SRD, are they bonus in Alpha? 26/03/2008 03:08:19 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› UPDATE! Tell us! :D 26/03/2008 03:08:20 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm forced to concede. 26/03/2008 03:08:20 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jeff. 26/03/2008 03:08:21 ‹Wyvern› Erik was here ealier ;) 26/03/2008 03:08:23 ‹James Jacobs› Bye Jeff! 26/03/2008 03:08:30 ‹Daigle› Howdy Watcher! 26/03/2008 03:08:30 ‹DMcCoy1693› oh oh oh!!! 26/03/2008 03:08:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles: I am definitely looking to add a bit more fun stuff to some of the NPC classes.. not too much though 26/03/2008 03:08:36 ‹Pygon› what's the most significant change in the update? 26/03/2008 03:08:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: Yes 26/03/2008 03:08:46 ‹Charles Evans› Watcher: We are laaaaaggged tonight. 26/03/2008 03:08:49 * The Last Rogue is interested in the sorcerer. He wonders if it has something to do with their high charisma. 26/03/2008 03:08:59 ‹Fray in hiding› YAY! 26/03/2008 03:09:01 * Russ quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:09:03 ‹Hill Giant› I've found it hard to sell people on Adaptation - in which Cage plays his own twin 26/03/2008 03:09:06 ‹Wyvern› Are we getting more classes with this update? 26/03/2008 03:09:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon: The biggest change is the rework of the combat feats 26/03/2008 03:09:07 ‹Mothman› Jason, the level of backwards compatability has been a point of discussion for my group and I too - my group seems to be in favour of an "if it aint broke, dont try to fix it approach" - thoughts? 26/03/2008 03:09:09 * Erik Mona joins Main 26/03/2008 03:09:12 ‹Fray in hiding› Jason What update? 26/03/2008 03:09:16 * Jeff Alvarez quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:09:19 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Erik Mona! :glomp: 26/03/2008 03:09:23 ‹Mothman› Hi Erik 26/03/2008 03:09:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wyvern: Not yet, the next batch of classes will be in release two 26/03/2008 03:09:28 ‹DMcCoy1693› Hey Mona 26/03/2008 03:09:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy Erik Mona! 26/03/2008 03:09:39 ‹Fray in hiding› Hi EM!! 26/03/2008 03:09:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hey there Erik 26/03/2008 03:09:44 ‹Karelzarath› I think the Combat Feats are awesome. Gives combat an ebb and flow that it was lacking in 3.5. 26/03/2008 03:09:50 * Fray in hiding changes his/her nickname to Fray 26/03/2008 03:09:58 ‹Hill Giant› Jason Bulmahn: Why are picks and spears in the same weapon category? 26/03/2008 03:10:00 ‹Sir Wulf› Hello! 26/03/2008 03:10:05 ‹Mothman› Jason: What's the ETA on Alpha release 2? 26/03/2008 03:10:06 ‹Watcher› Sucks to be us Charles Evans 26/03/2008 03:10:11 ‹Ross› Oh, for the record, I am still working on the design notes I promised last week. It's just hte schoolwork keeps getting in the way. (My Advisor and my Boss both expect me to do work for them. Believe that?) 26/03/2008 03:10:12 ‹The Last Rogue› Hill Giant, LOVE ADAPTATION! 26/03/2008 03:10:14 ‹Fray in hiding› Karel except that you can't get off #3 feat combo 26/03/2008 03:10:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Karel: You will still have that in the new system, but all of the "action chains" have been removed 26/03/2008 03:10:23 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› O Great Mono-Eyed One! Welcome to the Lag...:shakefist: 26/03/2008 03:10:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross: No problem 26/03/2008 03:10:38 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Of all the NPC classes, Aristocrat and Adept are the ones that I might like to see versions of that might appeal more to Players, besides being useful to DMs for villains. 26/03/2008 03:10:44 ‹Takasi AFC Prepping Burning Sk› I agree with Mothman, my group wants normal dwarves, wizards etc, and modules built assuming those are the rules 26/03/2008 03:10:44 ‹Turin the Mad› ](*,) lag indeed 26/03/2008 03:10:51 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Erik. 26/03/2008 03:10:53 ‹Daigle› Yay! No more chains! 26/03/2008 03:11:08 ‹Daigle› That bummed the fighter out last Sunday 03:11:13 ‹Fray in hiding› Jason Removed! neato keen! 26/03/2008 03:11:17 ‹Erik Mona› allo? 26/03/2008 03:11:18 ‹Watcher› Hi everyone (sucks to come in with Erik Mona ;) ) 26/03/2008 03:11:20 ‹Wyvern› Good call with the offing of the chained feats. 26/03/2008 03:11:24 ‹Karelzarath› Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me. 26/03/2008 03:11:33 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Jason Bulmahn: Skill Points? 26/03/2008 03:11:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yeah, the chains had to go.. you can still only use one per round, but the chaining of actions is gone. 26/03/2008 03:11:38 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure that we NEED a powered up aristocrat, actually. Players who want to play that character are better off playing a bard or a rogue. 26/03/2008 03:11:42 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Erik Mona! :glomp: 26/03/2008 03:11:48 ‹Mothman› Hi Watcher 26/03/2008 03:11:53 ‹Erik Mona› I am lobbying Bulmahn for a "full" commoner class. 26/03/2008 03:11:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith: Sills are not yet part of this update, those are taking a bit more work 26/03/2008 03:12:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is right... 26/03/2008 03:12:05 ‹Mothman› Hi again Erik 26/03/2008 03:12:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Erik is crazy... :-P 26/03/2008 03:12:18 ‹Wyvern› Epic Commoner! 26/03/2008 03:12:19 ‹Karelzarath› Fie on skill points 26/03/2008 03:12:21 * Admin Lilith is AFC fires up the chainsaw and heads towards the chatroom server. :pissed: 26/03/2008 03:12:26 ‹Erik Mona› Can anyone read this? 26/03/2008 03:12:32 ‹The Last Rogue› Watcher, lol . . how are you? 26/03/2008 03:12:34 ‹Turin the Mad› you too can experience Farming Mastery, Livestock Wrangling Specialization and Heavy Drinking 26/03/2008 03:12:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Read what? 26/03/2008 03:12:36 ‹James Jacobs› Yup! 26/03/2008 03:12:38 ‹Pygon› he'll beat the housecat yet! 26/03/2008 03:12:40 ‹James Jacobs› I can seeya, Erik! 26/03/2008 03:12:44 ‹Fray in hiding› Erick nope, cant read it 26/03/2008 03:12:45 ‹Karelzarath› I can hear you, Erik 26/03/2008 03:12:49 ‹DMcCoy1693› [b]Commoner level 1 ability{/b] House Cat Survival 26/03/2008 03:12:50 ‹Daigle› It will catch up eventually, Erik. 26/03/2008 03:12:51 ‹Erik Mona› Oh. I hear there is a lag. Perhaps that is the problem. 26/03/2008 03:12:54 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Erik Mona: We hear you! :D 26/03/2008 03:13:03 ‹Ross› I can read it, Erik. 26/03/2008 03:13:07 * Gavgoyle is lit joins Main 26/03/2008 03:13:09 ‹DMcCoy1693› Commoner level 1 ability House Cat Survival 26/03/2008 03:13:11 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Yes. 26/03/2008 03:13:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Funny, I am not having any lag at all... weird 26/03/2008 03:13:16 ‹Karelzarath› I think the lag is lagging at this point. 26/03/2008 03:13:19 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› I think that skill points are good for players, and the new skill system for NPCs/Monsters. 26/03/2008 03:13:24 ‹Fray in hiding› Lag..? 26/03/2008 03:13:25 ‹Daigle› Howdy Gavgoyle! 26/03/2008 03:13:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› We did want to add a commoner ability called "beneath contempt" iirc 26/03/2008 03:13:32 ‹Fray in hiding› Where? 26/03/2008 03:13:32 ‹The Last Rogue› l 26/03/2008 03:13:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-) 26/03/2008 03:13:34 ‹The Last Rogue› l 26/03/2008 03:13:36 ‹The Last Rogue› a 26/03/2008 03:13:39 ‹The Last Rogue› g 26/03/2008 03:13:40 ‹The Last Rogue› ? 26/03/2008 03:13:53 ‹DMcCoy1693› My lag is an ebb and flow. 26/03/2008 03:13:57 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Picks are being movied into the Axe family, I believe. Them being in the spear family was an error. 26/03/2008 03:13:59 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Work out your lag time relative to me, by halving the time it takes you to see that previous response of mine, which was practically instantaneous to my seeing your question if I could see you. 26/03/2008 03:14:04 ‹Watcher› Erik Mona, Yes.. there is a considerable delay 26/03/2008 03:14:12 ‹Turin the Mad› commoners share a penchant for wearing red tunics perhaps ? 26/03/2008 03:14:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is correct.. the weapon groups have been reworked... 26/03/2008 03:14:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› As has the bonus that they grant 26/03/2008 03:14:20 ‹Fray in hiding› Jason Is the update going to be a new pdf replacing the old one? 26/03/2008 03:14:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: There will be a new pdf (release 1.1) as well as a 4 page PDF covering all of the changes 26/03/2008 03:14:47 ‹Fray in hiding› So, unarmed strike now deals +5/+5 when I take the feat? 26/03/2008 03:14:49 ‹Ross› I want a section talking about wealth. As far as I can tell, a gold piece equals about $50. 26/03/2008 03:14:53 * Watcher testing lag 26/03/2008 03:15:01 ‹Pygon› good, I'll print the 4 page :) 26/03/2008 03:14:55 * Mulban joins Main 26/03/2008 03:15:05 ‹Fray in hiding› Jason you da man! 26/03/2008 03:15:06 ‹Erik Mona› The commoner power I want is a sort of 1-round sanctuary effect called "beneath contempt". 26/03/2008 03:15:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I do what I can 26/03/2008 03:15:13 ‹Karelzarath› 03:15:01 26/03/2008 03:15:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Should the Lamia Harridan have an alternate shape ability? 26/03/2008 03:15:16 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› good evening! 26/03/2008 03:15:16 ‹James Jacobs› Comparing gold in D&D to gold prices in the Real World = A Route To Madness. Don't do it! 26/03/2008 03:15:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is right 26/03/2008 03:15:33 ‹Erik Mona› I think a lot of players might willingly take a level or two of "noble" assuming it was a decent class. Or aristocrat, I guess you would call it. 26/03/2008 03:15:38 ‹Karelzarath› Beneath Contempt! Yay! 26/03/2008 03:15:42 ‹Ross› But people have distorted ideas from the 1 sp a day for serfs. 26/03/2008 03:15:47 ‹Fray in hiding› I want the commoner power [u]Not in the Face![/u] 26/03/2008 03:15:54 ‹Sir Wulf› if you upgrade the commoner, you'll have to upgrade housecats to match, for game balance reasons. 26/03/2008 03:16:00 ‹Erik Mona› There doesn't seem to be much reason to want to play a warrior, though. I never quite understood the point of that. Why not just make them low-level fighters? 26/03/2008 03:16:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles: Nope. Harridans aren't really decievers; they're big tough gals who don't really have the deception stchitck as much as smaller lamias. 26/03/2008 03:16:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wulf: Good point :-) 26/03/2008 03:16:11 ‹Fray in hiding› I want the commoner power Not in the Face! 26/03/2008 03:16:19 * Karelzarath grins at Wulf 26/03/2008 03:16:22 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› oh dear god, not the 'beneath contempt' bit again... this whas where I left... 26/03/2008 03:16:41 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: My thoughts on Aristocrat, exactly.... 26/03/2008 03:16:50 ‹James Jacobs› I want to play a commoner with Pig Bond. 26/03/2008 03:16:51 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Jason Bulmahn, I didn't get that from gold prices. It just seemed about fair from the costs in the PHB. 26/03/2008 03:17:02 ‹Turin the Mad› commoners are fodder ... they need one ability: Feed the Monster 26/03/2008 03:17:06 ‹Mulban› Wow, I'm in Nerd heaven 26/03/2008 03:17:23 ‹The Last Rogue› Does commoner really need to be a class? Is it that pertinent to in-game happenings? 26/03/2008 03:17:37 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: With regard to Warriors, since they're not full-time fighters, maybe they could have improved skills selections? 26/03/2008 03:17:45 ‹James Jacobs› Commoners shouldn't have abilities. They should just have flavors. 26/03/2008 03:17:46 ‹Turin the Mad› it is a 1-level class you see ... ^_^ 26/03/2008 03:17:47 ‹Fray in hiding› I thought the commoners were really XP Generating Bipedal Units 26/03/2008 03:17:47 ‹Mothman› oh Fray.... 26/03/2008 03:17:59 ‹Karelzarath› You should rename Commoner to Red Shirt. 26/03/2008 03:18:00 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Mulban: :lol: Welcome! :glomp: 26/03/2008 03:18:01 ‹Turin the Mad› lol 26/03/2008 03:18:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: It is, too avoid the average citizens from being 1 level fighters or some other strangeness 26/03/2008 03:18:05 ‹Dorgar› any chance of getting characters with only 2 sp a lvl a boost? 26/03/2008 03:18:14 ‹Charles Evans› Turin: Nonono... PCs are Fodder, that need the one ability, Feed the Monster...:) 26/03/2008 03:18:16 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› wow, the lag is horrendous! 26/03/2008 03:18:25 ‹Fray in hiding› Mothman yes...? 8-) 26/03/2008 03:18:27 ‹Balthaczar› lol 26/03/2008 03:18:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dorgar: I am not sure I follow you 26/03/2008 03:18:37 ‹The Last Rogue› Jason, I suppose that is a good argument. 26/03/2008 03:18:51 ‹The Last Rogue› But if that is the case do we need a 20-level progression 26/03/2008 03:18:54 ‹Erik Mona› I ran a great Age of Worms game where everyone played a first-level warrior. Against spawn of Kyuss. It was great. 26/03/2008 03:18:59 ‹Dorgar› maybe go to a system like yall did with hp 26/03/2008 03:19:01 ‹Mothman› I just read Not in the Face Fray .... maybe I was thinking of somehting else.... 26/03/2008 03:19:07 ‹The Last Rogue› or can we just assume Joe is a commoner, he dies if you hit him a few times 26/03/2008 03:19:11 ‹Dorgar› but with skill points 26/03/2008 03:19:11 ‹DMcCoy1693› Paizians This may have been covered long ago so sorry if I am repeating an old question, but can only clerics be priests in the Pathfinder Setting? I mean the Priests of Desna, not all of them are clerics. Am I reading that right or am I missing something? 26/03/2008 03:19:13 ‹Mulban› I think it fills a role, Rogue, for completion sake if nothing else 26/03/2008 03:19:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: No, but it would be odd to the the only NPC class that did not get it 26/03/2008 03:19:24 ‹Mothman› Erik: I heard about tat game - sounded fun! 26/03/2008 03:19:27 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› LOL! Fray! excellent prereq feat! 26/03/2008 03:19:29 ‹Fray in hiding› Mothman The Tick perhaps.... 26/03/2008 03:19:32 ‹Mulban› Love what you've done with the place Lil 26/03/2008 03:19:34 ‹Sir Wulf› Pig Bond! My party constantly badgers me for more pets, mounts, and companions, so maybe Pig Bond is the ability they need... 26/03/2008 03:19:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was wondering, since the Lamia Matriarchs, Xanesha and Lucrecia have been sent out on missions for Karzzoug, have they ever been to Xin-Shalast? If so, how did they cope with the high altitude? 26/03/2008 03:19:43 ‹Erik Mona› I dunno. I wonder if you not better off just getting rid of them. 26/03/2008 03:19:44 ‹The Last Rogue› Well, I mean even taking it furhter . . .what seperates a commoner from an aristocrat? 26/03/2008 03:19:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› DMcCoy: No... priest is a term used by the faith, not a description of ability 26/03/2008 03:19:50 ‹The Last Rogue› Wealth, education, 26/03/2008 03:19:53 ‹Fray in hiding› I'm taking the Impslayer feat with the next character I build 26/03/2008 03:19:58 ‹Erik Mona› That said, since backward compatiblity is such an important goal for the project, it should probably have a warrior class. 26/03/2008 03:19:58 ‹The Last Rogue› but HP? 26/03/2008 03:19:59 ‹Watcher› I'm sure this has been answered already, but has Jason mentioned an ETA on the next release (I only really got people playing with Alpha 1 tonight) 26/03/2008 03:20:01 ‹James Jacobs› Priest is a generic term. A "priest" can be pretty much any class, but most of them are clerics. 26/03/2008 03:20:05 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Mulban: THanks! I'm in the process to fix some stuffs...*stabs server* 26/03/2008 03:20:21 * DMcCoy1693 quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:20:21 * DMcCoy1693 quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:20:24 ‹Balthaczar› stabbin! 26/03/2008 03:20:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher: I have not yet announced release 2 26/03/2008 03:20:31 ‹The Last Rogue› I can see an aristocrat having additional skills, but I don't think any NPC needs to be a 20 26/03/2008 03:20:31 ‹Karelzarath› Commoners only get 1 hp per level. 26/03/2008 03:20:33 * Turin the Mad oils Lilith's chainsword 26/03/2008 03:20:39 ‹Ross› Warrior only needs about a 5 level progression, since after that they should be fighter or barb. Expert can go all the way up, as can adept. Maybe Aristocrat. Commoners only should have one level. After that they're experts. 26/03/2008 03:20:39 ‹The Last Rogue› level progression 03:20:41 ‹Mulban› Eric: Great in a "Wow, that game lasted 2 rounds" way? 26/03/2008 03:20:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect that many of the lamia matriarchs have been to Xin-Shalast; they cope with the high altitudes with magic. 26/03/2008 03:20:52 ‹Fray in hiding› I don't see any reason to change the NPC classes 26/03/2008 03:21:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: I don't think they will be getting much revision 26/03/2008 03:21:22 ‹Fray in hiding› Whew... 26/03/2008 03:21:27 ‹Dorgar› did you miss my follow up Jason? 26/03/2008 03:21:31 ‹James Jacobs› I don't see a reason to change the NPC classes either. 26/03/2008 03:21:37 ‹Turin the Mad› yeah, although Adept's have a nifty little spell list, great stuff with some creativity 26/03/2008 03:21:38 * Daigle loves him some expert. 26/03/2008 03:21:41 ‹Erik Mona› DM> I think you could have a non-cleric priest. Say a good orator or something. But why not make him a cleric? 26/03/2008 03:21:45 ‹The Last Rogue› I am really just chipping in my two cents here on the fly. But it always strikes me as odd to see a level 7 commoner or expert 26/03/2008 03:21:45 * Karelzarath may just have to make do with the chat summary on this one. 26/03/2008 03:22:04 ‹The Last Rogue› I mean do I really need the math to tell me he is better. . .is it that pertinent to my game world 26/03/2008 03:22:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dorgar: I appears that I did.. sorry 26/03/2008 03:22:06 ‹Ross› Fray in hiding, true. It's just so tempting to play 'rebuild the game' and forget compatibility. 26/03/2008 03:22:07 ‹The Last Rogue› ? 26/03/2008 03:22:09 ‹Fray in hiding› Just make sure any revisoins to the NPC classes involve brightly colored uniforms... Yellow,Pink, Blue, Red, Green. 26/03/2008 03:22:10 ‹Mulban› Does seem a bit laggy, but whatever 26/03/2008 03:22:13 ‹Pygon› true, how would one become a 10th level commoner? Town defense? 26/03/2008 03:22:16 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Karelzarath: I'm sowwy...:cry: 26/03/2008 03:22:21 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh... those meatballs were kinda nasty... 60% sodium, 30% sauce, 10% "meat"... 26/03/2008 03:22:24 ‹Mothman› Yeah, its a bit slow isnt it Karel 26/03/2008 03:22:33 ‹Karelzarath› Bards would make excellent evangelists. 26/03/2008 03:22:39 ‹Erik Mona› Last> Why not? 26/03/2008 03:22:41 ‹Sir Wulf› Vin Vinder... One of my PCs wants to fight him again, so he can get some "payback" 26/03/2008 03:22:50 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› I don't know if I can cope with this... lag + a triple gibson + a double G&T. I think I have to bow out tonight... 26/03/2008 03:22:58 ‹The Last Rogue› Why not, as in why is it not pertinent to my Game world? 26/03/2008 03:22:58 ‹Sir Wulf› (7th level commoner) 26/03/2008 03:22:58 ‹Ross› The Last Rogue, level 7 expert makes sense. Master blacksmiths or non-wizard sages. 26/03/2008 03:23:03 ‹Erik Mona› Mulban> Great in a "it was funny as hell to see how all of the characters died." 26/03/2008 03:23:18 ‹Turin the Mad› at a shot per lag incident Gavgoyle, you'll pass out in no time 26/03/2008 03:23:23 * theacemu joins Main 26/03/2008 03:23:27 ‹Erik Mona› Also, I made them randomly generate 3 personality traits from the NPC personality table in the DMG. 26/03/2008 03:23:27 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, gotchya.. I'll try to have my groups Apla 1 Reactions posted tomorrow sometime, it was pretty favorable including parts they had doubts about, though they are first level just starting out 26/03/2008 03:23:33 ‹Erik Mona› It was awesome. 26/03/2008 03:23:34 ‹Daigle› Howdy ace! 26/03/2008 03:23:36 ‹The Last Rogue› Because, my players (in my experience anyways), don't take the time or care to worry that Joe the alchemist is a bit better at making acid flasks than Ronnie the alchemist 26/03/2008 03:23:38 ‹Karelzarath› No kidding, Turin. :D 26/03/2008 03:23:39 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› posts running fast/slow while mind runnig slow/fast = wonkyness in the extreeme 26/03/2008 03:23:47 ‹Erik Mona› I think I may also have forced 3d6, in order. 26/03/2008 03:23:49 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If Lamias have been working for Karzoug for centuries, can't you just give them all the High Altitude feat as a racial bonus, and allow the higher CR ones such as Harridans to do something extra and PC killing with the feat slot that frees up? 26/03/2008 03:24:07 ‹DMcCoy1693› Mona Personally, I make characters that are unusual. So if I made a priest, I'd make one that didn't have levels in cleric. Just my style. I've made necromancers that hate undead, a fighter that worships mystra, etc. 26/03/2008 03:24:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dorgar: I think I just cleared my cache just as you reposted... doh... one more time please.. I promise to answer this time... 26/03/2008 03:24:09 * Fray in hiding changes his/her nickname to Fray 26/03/2008 03:24:15 * Fray joins Main 26/03/2008 03:24:17 ‹James Jacobs› Heh... my character had a thing for stealing what's her name's underwear in that one, If I remember correctly. He met his just deserts. 26/03/2008 03:24:30 ‹Erik Mona› Man the lag is bad. 26/03/2008 03:24:45 ‹Turin the Mad› Think Lilith will have to force a reboot? 26/03/2008 03:24:48 ‹Dorgar› i was saying something like what you guys did with hp but to the skill points give characters with 2 sp a lvl 4 ect 26/03/2008 03:25:01 ‹theacemu› D! 26/03/2008 03:25:05 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Erik Mona: I know...:( 26/03/2008 03:25:09 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› LOL, Turin, true dat, yo' 26/03/2008 03:25:11 ‹Karelzarath› Probably after the update 26/03/2008 03:25:15 ‹theacemu› What's crack'n 26/03/2008 03:25:15 * Fray in hiding quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:25:18 * Admin Lilith is AFC is not happy about this. 26/03/2008 03:25:19 ‹Erik Mona› I think you could make a decent argument that Blibo or Frodo are high-level commoners. 26/03/2008 03:25:20 ‹Mulban› Erik - So it was like every Cthulu game ever? 26/03/2008 03:25:32 ‹Daigle› Not much ace. 26/03/2008 03:25:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dorgar: Ahhh.. well, we are still working out some bugs with the skill system, i have seen some great suggestions along the way over the past week. right now we are trying to work out what works best within our guidelines... 26/03/2008 03:25:41 ‹Karelzarath› Enter -> Posting = 30 seconds 26/03/2008 03:25:43 ‹Mothman› James: Your "character" had a thing for stealing underwear eh? ;-) 26/03/2008 03:25:57 ‹Erik Mona› I am not saying the PRPG should go this route, but I think you could build a progression of powers that emulates the farmboy's rise to accidental greatness. 26/03/2008 03:26:04 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Remember: Karzoug's been "awake" for only about 5 years. Before that, the Lamias were more or less on their own, doing their own thing. The matriarchs were probably scattered all throughout Varisia, so not all of them had high altitude training. I'm fairly certain that neither of the two in the path itself have been to Xin-Shalast, though; they got their orders from harridans or others. 26/03/2008 03:26:19 * Rambling Scribe joins Main 26/03/2008 03:26:34 ‹Daigle› Craig!! 26/03/2008 03:26:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Erik: I am still working on those Epic commoner powers for you... 26/03/2008 03:26:36 ‹Mulban› DM - Would you force players to make characters like that? 26/03/2008 03:26:44 ‹Karelzarath› Welcome to the madness, Rambling Scribe 26/03/2008 03:26:45 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› unfortunately (or fortunately) I have a body type to deal with alcohol. passing out isn't likely 26/03/2008 03:26:50 ‹Mothman› Hey Scribe 26/03/2008 03:26:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Craig 26/03/2008 03:27:09 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Also: We designed the matriarchs before we got to the last adventure and decided to do more stuff with high altitudes. You can certainly give the matriarchs the altitude feat as a bonus feat if you want; doesn't impact their CR at all if you do. 26/03/2008 03:27:14 ‹The Last Rogue› Scribe 26/03/2008 03:27:19 ‹Wyvern› Erik Mona, interesting. Maybe subsuming levels eventually. Like lvl 10 commoner, you are a 1st lvl fighter now, or the like. 26/03/2008 03:27:26 ‹Fray› LAG 26/03/2008 03:27:28 ‹DMcCoy1693› Would I force? No. 26/03/2008 03:27:28 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, right, but they could be equally well represented by a slightly-lower-level expert or rogue. 26/03/2008 03:27:32 ‹Watcher› Krel my delay is longer that that 26/03/2008 03:27:43 ‹DMcCoy1693› Just something I do when I make characters 26/03/2008 03:27:52 ‹Ross› What I wouldn't give to be in Bellevue working on PFRPG for real right now... 26/03/2008 03:27:55 ‹Turin the Mad› Gavgoyle> ah, so you can savor the full, rich trickling of your temporary SAN as the lag torments us all ... 26/03/2008 03:28:00 ‹Dorgar› cool I have always thought the characters with only 2 points a lvl were a little underpowered . I am Sure you guys will end up with a good solutrion 26/03/2008 03:28:02 ‹Balthaczar› perhaps powers that were like sudden insights 26/03/2008 03:28:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle! 26/03/2008 03:28:17 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› hey scribe! 26/03/2008 03:28:23 ‹Sir Wulf› Epic Commoner Powers: You Can't get There From Here: A commoner can cause confusion for 1 hour per level by attempting to give directions. 26/03/2008 03:28:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi All! 26/03/2008 03:28:28 ‹Ross› Wow. I'm lagged by a lot. 26/03/2008 03:28:29 ‹Fray› Jason did you update your date on Darkmoon Vale yet? 26/03/2008 03:28:33 ‹The Last Rogue› I think at most I am *for* NPC classes leveled 1-5 26/03/2008 03:28:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross: I hear ya.. but then again, I got the files here at home... 26/03/2008 03:28:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Wow, Lag! 26/03/2008 03:28:51 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> It ain't all sunshine and rainbows... 26/03/2008 03:29:01 ‹Daigle› I think it's just you, Craig. 26/03/2008 03:29:07 ‹Turin the Mad› Lag is a new suburb of Hades 26/03/2008 03:29:09 ‹Daigle› ;) 26/03/2008 03:29:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: I am not sure that we have a update on that yet 26/03/2008 03:29:19 ‹The Last Rogue› Again, it really doesn't matter to me. 26/03/2008 03:30:04 ‹The Last Rogue› Let's get hints on the Sorcerer class now 03:30:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: We are probably going to be presenting 1-20 on all those classes, just so that existing characters and NPCs are not invalidated 26/03/2008 03:30:21 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› Indeed, Turin, indeed! Gin makes most men mean, gin makes me happy pussycat 26/03/2008 03:30:38 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, perhaps. But who needs rainbows when you have Awesome? (Sleep, now sleep is the tricky thing.) 26/03/2008 03:30:47 ‹Fray› Jason nermind that was for MacAtor 26/03/2008 03:30:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: np 26/03/2008 03:30:58 ‹The Last Rogue› That's cool . . .just felt like being contrary 26/03/2008 03:31:01 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think things might be back to normal now. 26/03/2008 03:31:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: np 26/03/2008 03:31:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nope. 26/03/2008 03:31:22 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Maybe you could give Lamia 'tribes' (as defined by the Runelord their priestesses worked for and took the domain power of) a racial bonus feat which varied by tribe; those from Xin Shalast or their descendants who worked for Karzoug get High Altitude adaptation... Maybe those whose ancestors wrked for Alaznist or worshipped Wrath get Power attack as a racial bonus, etc... Sort of lik 26/03/2008 03:31:23 ‹Ross› The Last Rogue, there should be an Adept progression to high levels, at the very least. 26/03/2008 03:31:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well, they are for me 26/03/2008 03:31:32 ‹Daigle› What's this "normal" you're talking about? 26/03/2008 03:31:45 ‹Karelzarath› Jason Bulmahn: Do you have any thoughts on epic levels? 26/03/2008 03:31:50 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, Our promised AP 4 revelations got overshadowed by PFRPG. Now that you have had time to confer with Wes, anything you can tell us, like where it's going to be located? (it's kinda weird, by the time you read this it will be minutes in the past) 26/03/2008 03:31:50 ‹DMcCoy1693› I'd love to see an epic level commoner. Anyone ever make one of them? 26/03/2008 03:31:56 ‹The Last Rogue› All will be forgotten if you tell us one cool thing (besides bloodlines) about sorcerers 26/03/2008 03:31:56 ‹James Jacobs› Jason keeps abbreviating the word "NIPPLE." Weird. 26/03/2008 03:31:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Karelzarath: Not yet... 26/03/2008 03:32:05 ‹Charles Evans› Sort of Like Sinspawn varying that is to say. 26/03/2008 03:32:15 ‹Pygon› "fixed" epic rules would be most interesting... 26/03/2008 03:32:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James: stop telling everyone my secrets... 26/03/2008 03:32:19 ‹Fray› yeah, Socr class!!! 26/03/2008 03:32:22 ‹Daigle› James :lol: 26/03/2008 03:32:25 ‹The Last Rogue› Ross, I agree on some level, as they are more likely to interact with the PC on a game mechanic level 26/03/2008 03:32:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon: I've got to fix the standard levels first I think.. :-) 26/03/2008 03:32:43 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› lol, RS, normalcy has not been achieved. 26/03/2008 03:32:55 ‹Pygon› understandable :) 26/03/2008 03:33:06 ‹The Last Rogue› Ross,but, why do you think that? I am just interested in your mind what makes them different than sorcerers or mages and the like. 26/03/2008 03:33:07 ‹Daigle› Jeff lebowski is an epic level commoner. 26/03/2008 03:33:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: Funny, that is what I was going to tell you.. :-) 26/03/2008 03:33:11 ‹Karelzarath› Jason Bulmahn: But is it something you're interested in trying your hand at? 26/03/2008 03:33:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› karelzarath: Possibly... 26/03/2008 03:33:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Normal is where I type something and it is still relevant when I'm done. 26/03/2008 03:33:37 ‹Ross› Watcher, it's in Absalom. 26/03/2008 03:33:38 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› James, that Nipple thing was inordinately funny and it woke my wife up with me laughing. Stop it. 26/03/2008 03:33:47 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> No news yet on AP4. I got sick and more or less lost 5 days to the sick, and am now scrambling to get caught up to where I was before that, which has left no real time to do anything about AP4 at work. SO: no news yet. And again... we've just barley started AP2! Give us some time to pimp that and AP3 first! :) 26/03/2008 03:33:51 ‹Mothman› What are you on about Scribe? ;-) 26/03/2008 03:33:57 ‹Erik Mona› Ross> (Sorry I'm responding to something from forever ago) I think it is better to have a 11th-level commoner with an 11th-level party, because it will be easier for his saves and hit points to keep track with the rest of the party. I'm not saying a commoner should be a tank, but hiding for every fight isn't really that fun. 26/03/2008 03:34:02 ‹The Last Rogue› Jason Bulmahn, OK, OK give us an example bloodline then. Please! 26/03/2008 03:34:04 ‹Daigle› :lol: 26/03/2008 03:34:24 ‹Erik Mona› But playing a commoner through a campaign might actually be fun. Especially of the progression tells an epic story. 26/03/2008 03:34:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: Let me dig up the list of bloodlines.. how about that... 26/03/2008 03:34:29 ‹James Jacobs› Nipple 26/03/2008 03:34:31 * Blazej is Dead to the World joins Main 26/03/2008 03:34:44 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› oooh, the lag is diminishing though (it seems) 26/03/2008 03:35:02 ‹The Last Rogue› Jason you sir are AWESOME! 26/03/2008 03:35:04 ‹Turin the Mad› nippleripple 26/03/2008 03:35:10 ‹James Jacobs› (o) 26/03/2008 03:35:15 ‹Daigle› I'd play an NPC class through a campaign. That'd be a blast. I've played commoners and experts before. 26/03/2008 03:35:18 ‹Mothman› Jason: Is the feedback you've been getting on the Alpha the sort of things you were expecting? Anything thrown you guys for a real curve? ("They don't like THAT??";) 26/03/2008 03:35:25 ‹Daigle› Howdy Blazej 26/03/2008 03:35:33 ‹Ross› The Last Rogue, different spell list and feel. 26/03/2008 03:35:37 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› hmmm, Pathfinder after the one after next... rise of the Nipple thing! 26/03/2008 03:35:44 ‹Fray› (o)(o) 26/03/2008 03:35:44 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Hooray! Nipples! :D 26/03/2008 03:35:50 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› lol! 26/03/2008 03:35:55 ‹The Last Rogue› Ross, yeah, I can see that. 26/03/2008 03:36:00 ‹Turin the Mad› the main villain: Nipplehead 26/03/2008 03:36:01 ‹Blazej is Dead to the World› Yo. 26/03/2008 03:36:01 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, commoners shouldn't be hanging around with the party, though. 26/03/2008 03:36:07 ‹Saracenus› I love the Venture Brothers! 26/03/2008 03:36:19 ‹theacemu› Do you editors (or publisher) consider your Pathfinder products to be periodicals? How are they classified? 26/03/2008 03:36:20 ‹Saracenus› Sorry for the non-sequitur 26/03/2008 03:36:23 ‹The Last Rogue› Well someone has to carry their stuff 26/03/2008 03:36:24 ‹Mothman› Hey Blazej: What's up? 26/03/2008 03:36:44 ‹Turin the Mad› peons ftw 26/03/2008 03:36:55 ‹Sir Wulf› Ross> I had no idea that you were so aristocratic. 26/03/2008 03:37:04 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› Yes, indeed! Hooray and lords presrve the nipples! 26/03/2008 03:37:11 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder is a monthly book. Whcih sort of makes it a periodical by definition. It's not a magazine though; it doesn't hit any of the magazine markets and isn't treated as a magazine in the post. 26/03/2008 03:37:12 ‹Karelzarath› A commoner with an 18 Strength is very handy. I mean, just look at Nodwick. 26/03/2008 03:37:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Do I need to copy my thoughts on different Lamia tribes with different racial/sin backgrounds again, or did you see them the first time around? 26/03/2008 03:37:20 ‹Blazej is Dead to the World› Smash Bros. Brawl now chat later. 26/03/2008 03:37:21 ‹Sir Wulf› "No commmoners here. We have standards!" 26/03/2008 03:37:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: Draconic, Infernal, Fey, Demonic, Elemental, Celestial, Undead.. and a few others. I seem to have misplaced my full list 26/03/2008 03:37:39 ‹Hill Giant› Peasant abilities: lift, carry, schlep... 26/03/2008 03:37:45 ‹DMcCoy1693› have a good night everyone... can't wait for the update 26/03/2008 03:37:51 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› Ross, that's not true... you should have interaction with with common folk at every level! 26/03/2008 03:37:53 ‹Balthaczar› tame pigs 26/03/2008 03:37:54 ‹James Jacobs› As for commoners being increased in power... bleh. They need to be boring and dull. That's what makes them Common. 26/03/2008 03:37:58 ‹The Last Rogue› Cool start though . . .just the fact you guys are supporting the bloodline thing is great 26/03/2008 03:37:59 ‹Karelzarath› Don't forget Heft and Tote. 26/03/2008 03:38:02 ‹Pygon› gnite DM 26/03/2008 03:38:04 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› they don't exist in a vaccuum 26/03/2008 03:38:09 ‹Mulban› Are we still discussing NPC classes? 26/03/2008 03:38:17 ‹The Last Rogue› Since, you know, that's what they've always FREAKING TOLD US POWES THE SORCERERS MAGIC! 26/03/2008 03:38:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: Most of the feedback has been about what I expected, there have been a few things that I did not expect such a strong response on. 26/03/2008 03:38:23 * theacemu quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:38:26 * theacemu quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:38:30 ‹Dorgar› night DM 26/03/2008 03:38:33 ‹Wyvern› They are background for the story going on around the party. 26/03/2008 03:38:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last Rogue: Exactly 26/03/2008 03:38:58 * DMcCoy1693 quit 26/03/2008 03:39:03 ‹Ross› Sir Wulf, I just mean that if someone has the skills to have a meaningful attack bonus and more than a handful of HPs, why aren't they an Expert at the least? 26/03/2008 03:39:07 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope; saw them the first time. In Thassilon, giants were pretty much the main "monsters" you saw all the time. Lamias, though, I think are more valueable as their own set of creatrues that AREN'T "tailored" to various runelords. 26/03/2008 03:39:09 ‹Karelzarath› Wait... undead bloodlines? How does that work, exactly? Someone shooting up zombie? :) 26/03/2008 03:39:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Karelzarath: That is for you to figure out... 26/03/2008 03:39:34 ‹Erik Mona› PRPG reactions> I am very pleased with the reaction so far. 26/03/2008 03:39:38 ‹Turin the Mad› incorporeal undead 26/03/2008 03:39:41 * Watcher testing lag delay 26/03/2008 03:39:42 ‹Daigle› Smoking mummies actually. 26/03/2008 03:39:46 * Karelzarath grins 26/03/2008 03:39:52 ‹James Jacobs› Lamias, to me, are just the monsters that Karzoug and the other greed runelords found to be more useful. The other runelords all had different types of monster favorites. Lamias probably didn't work much for the other 6. 26/03/2008 03:39:55 ‹Ross› A 10th level commoner has the same HP and hit points, and similar saves to, an expert of a lower level. Aside from HD dependant effects, they're identical. 26/03/2008 03:39:57 ‹Turin the Mad› certain corporeal spawned from mortals perhaps 26/03/2008 03:40:01 ‹Hill Giant› Kazelzarath: Blade? 26/03/2008 03:40:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I should note that I am with Erik on this, the response so far has been phenomonal 26/03/2008 03:40:08 ‹Watcher› hmm down to 15 seconds now 26/03/2008 03:40:11 ‹Wyvern› Daigle, like in that Dragon! 26/03/2008 03:40:19 ‹Erik Mona› James> What class is Bilbo? 26/03/2008 03:40:27 ‹Erik Mona› What is Luke Skywalker before he becomes a Jedi? 26/03/2008 03:40:31 ‹Karelzarath› Phenominal product begets phenominal response. 26/03/2008 03:40:32 ‹Mulban› I shudder to think 26/03/2008 03:40:45 ‹Turin the Mad› peon 26/03/2008 03:40:46 ‹Hill Giant› Erik Mona: Thief, of course. 26/03/2008 03:40:51 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› Barry White (bury wight?) + zombie = undead bloodline 26/03/2008 03:40:56 ‹Karelzarath› Luke has 30 levels in Whiny Bitch. 26/03/2008 03:40:58 ‹Daigle› Wyvern, I'm trying to recall your reference. 26/03/2008 03:41:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks Karelzarath 26/03/2008 03:41:04 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> Bilbo is a rogue, I suspect. But has a few commoner levels in there too. 26/03/2008 03:41:08 ‹James Jacobs› Frodo's a bard. 26/03/2008 03:41:10 ‹Watcher› Erik Mona, farmers! 26/03/2008 03:41:12 * Rambling Scribe checks watch 26/03/2008 03:41:20 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Has it occured to you that wth the Runelords you may have created villains as icnoic as Vecna, et al, which people will want more and more of, very year! 26/03/2008 03:41:27 ‹Saracenus› Erik Mona: Luke was a comoner sub-type, whiny beotch 26/03/2008 03:41:35 ‹Pygon› that explains all the poems and dancing for no dang reason. 26/03/2008 03:41:31 ‹Karelzarath› S'truth, Jason. :) 26/03/2008 03:41:37 ‹Turin the Mad› lol 26/03/2008 03:41:41 ‹Sir Wulf› Luke Skywalker was obviouslty an Aristocrat: Blood will tell. 26/03/2008 03:41:48 ‹Charles Evans› Turin: Vampire bloodlines of soprceror? 26/03/2008 03:41:50 ‹Mulban› Erik - I believe, according to SW RPG, 1st ed; Luke was a Brash Pilot 26/03/2008 03:42:07 ‹Wyvern› Daigle, the cover of one Dragon was a hot mummy. 26/03/2008 03:42:07 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, I have a question about the racial stat bonuses. Is there going to be a guideline for stat generation? Because I realized that hte overal racial bonus ended up being the equivilent to an extra 4 points of point buy. 26/03/2008 03:42:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> That's actually the hope. I'd LOVE to see the runelords become super popular. And there's a lot of runelord stuff sneaking into Pathfinder and Golarion as it is... more than people suspect right now, in fact. 26/03/2008 03:42:16 ‹Wyvern› I don't recall the number right now. 26/03/2008 03:42:21 ‹Daigle› Ohhh!! 26/03/2008 03:42:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› One minute lag on my last post. 26/03/2008 03:42:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross: I am aware of that concern.. as with previous editions, we will provide a number of stat generation options... 26/03/2008 03:42:56 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, are these bloodlines going to be similiar to the ones in UA? 03:43:29 ‹Ross› For instance, I was running a 32-point game, which is already above average, when I converted and I realized the stats I was looking at seemed like a 36 point game. 26/03/2008 03:43:30 ‹Karelzarath› There should be a "Pick the stats you want" option. Some of my players seem to think it's already official. ;) 26/03/2008 03:43:44 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I hope that Karzxoug is not dead, but escaped... I have an idea bouncing around at present that maybe he could be forced to team up wth Alaznist, his archenemy and the other runelord he therefore knows the most about, and oddly trusts) to deal with some threat... Maybe something from Leng. 26/03/2008 03:43:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher: In some regards... 26/03/2008 03:44:00 ‹Fray› I thought Anikin had the 30 levels in Whiny Bitch? 26/03/2008 03:44:10 ‹Turin the Mad› I do believe that they've hinted at a 'sequel' AP 26/03/2008 03:44:13 ‹Wyvern› Stats are to be rolled! 26/03/2008 03:44:18 ‹Erik Mona› Mulban> I'm talking about 3.5, not so much the Star Wars game. But that's interesting. I guess he is good at flying the T16. :) 26/03/2008 03:44:21 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, can you elaborate on the differences? 26/03/2008 03:44:32 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, Ah. Thanks. I figure that 28 point buy will the basis for my future games, because that'd put the players back in the sweet spot. 26/03/2008 03:44:32 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The assumption is that if Rise of the Runelords took place, that Karzoug is dead. Of course... Rise of the Runelords doesn't necessarilly have to happen before every other AP... 26/03/2008 03:44:33 ‹Mothman› Jason, James, Erik: There has been some concern from some people on the boards that there is so much Alpha feedback (and some of it perhaps more noise than constructive) that it wont do much good to post feedback, as it will just get lost in the noise. I dont agree with this, but how would you respond? 26/03/2008 03:44:40 ‹Karelzarath› Fray: Anakin has 30 levels in Angst-Ridden Jackass. 26/03/2008 03:44:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher: since the rules are currently still being worked on, I think I will leave it a bit mysterious for the time being 26/03/2008 03:45:02 ‹Ross› Fray, Anakin had 30 levels in Emo jerk. 26/03/2008 03:45:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: Over the past week, I have read somewhere close to about 3-4K posts... 26/03/2008 03:45:21 ‹Sir Wulf› I need to go, so you all have a good one! 26/03/2008 03:45:34 ‹Pygon› gnite Wulf 26/03/2008 03:45:30 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, alright.. suspense has it's place. :) 26/03/2008 03:45:33 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Wulf 26/03/2008 03:45:36 ‹Wyvern› See ya Wulf 26/03/2008 03:45:39 ‹Karelzarath› Bye, Sir Wulf! 26/03/2008 03:45:40 ‹Mothman› Jason: So you're seeing the feedback then! 26/03/2008 03:45:42 ‹James Jacobs› KEEP POSTING! Jason gets bored real easy. 26/03/2008 03:45:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: And I spend almost all of my time combing for great ideas and feedback. 26/03/2008 03:45:44 * Russ joins Main 26/03/2008 03:45:49 ‹Mothman› See you Wulf 26/03/2008 03:45:54 * Karelzarath changes his/her nickname to Veruca Salt 26/03/2008 03:45:58 ‹Karelzarath› But I want it NOW! 26/03/2008 03:45:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: Oh yes.. that is all I have been doing practically 26/03/2008 03:45:59 ‹Watcher› Night Wulf 26/03/2008 03:46:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is Sorshen actually going to appear in CotCT, or just her trail? And With reagrd to Karzoug being dead, an archmage like that didn't have clones or delayed action contingencies? Maybe he just seemed dead, when the PCs killed him, and the Leng denizens siphoned the energy released for their own purposes... They wanted him defeated by the PCs so that they could do so. 26/03/2008 03:46:17 * kruelaid joins Main 26/03/2008 03:46:18 ‹Karelzarath› Hmm... that didn't work as well as I'd hoped. 26/03/2008 03:46:25 ‹Charles Evans› There could be different Leng factions. 26/03/2008 03:46:35 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> That's not a spoiler I'm ready to reveal yet. 26/03/2008 03:46:37 ‹Mothman› Hey Kruel 26/03/2008 03:46:38 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› hey kruel! 26/03/2008 03:46:40 ‹Daigle› Kruelaid!!! What's up, man!? 26/03/2008 03:46:45 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:46:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bye Sir Wulf! 26/03/2008 03:46:52 ‹Watcher› Hi Kruelaid, welcome to lag central 26/03/2008 03:46:55 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› shit! that was quick! 26/03/2008 03:46:58 ‹Fray› Ross hahaha I see Spider Man took a few levels on Emo Bitch in the last movie 26/03/2008 03:47:11 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› wow, are we past the deadlands of lag?? 26/03/2008 03:47:28 ‹Karelzarath› Now we're just in the Doldrums of Lag 26/03/2008 03:47:30 ‹Charles Evans› Some eng factions may have wanted Mhar Massif, others could be plotting other evil things that the needed Karzoug defeated for, to harnass the runewell energy... 26/03/2008 03:47:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› maybe... I am not holding my breath 26/03/2008 03:47:38 ‹Turin the Mad› Emo et al levels are punishment levels doled out to players who act accordingly 26/03/2008 03:47:41 ‹Erik Mona› Mothman> Just that everyone at Paizo is pretty much reading the boards 24/7 like rabid animals. We won't get absolutely everything, but we are paying serious attention. 26/03/2008 03:47:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› I haven't been posting as much Pathfinder feedback as I'd like, because it takes too long to find out if the thing I want to talk about is already being discussed somewheres. 26/03/2008 03:47:50 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> And sure, Karzoug probably DID have some contingencies... but then again... ONE of those contingencies needed to be the Last One... and it's possible that the Runewell WAS the last one. I'm not a big fan of marginalizing a party's accomplishments by bringing back the villians over and over, so my thought is that, if Runelords occurs... the assumption is that the PCs win and Karzoug dies. 26/03/2008 03:48:03 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› lol, we have entered the Eye of Lag... the back wall will be coming up soon 26/03/2008 03:48:05 ‹Ross› Fray, that he did. 26/03/2008 03:48:12 ‹Mothman› Jason: I admit I have been daunted in trawling through the alpha feedback after the first few days or so ... has there been much playtest feedback yet, or mainly still first impressions so far? (I know a couple people here tonight mentioned theyve playtested stuff) 26/03/2008 03:48:13 ‹Charles Evans› And Ceoptra if she escaped) would want t resurrect her lord and master, if she found his body and he didn't have contingencies, clones, or anything like that. 26/03/2008 03:48:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling: That can be the tricky part.. fortunately, things are slowing down now 26/03/2008 03:48:21 ‹Fray› Deadlands?!?! Pathfinder conversion rules? OH that would be SWEEET! 26/03/2008 03:48:33 ‹Russ› that was annoying :) 26/03/2008 03:48:46 ‹James Jacobs› That all said, Charles... I do have a "Return of the Runelords" AP in mind that's building momentum... and that DOES have more Karzoug stuff in it... I'm not sure when or if it'll ever go anywhere yet, though. 26/03/2008 03:48:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: mostly just impressions. I have been fanatically searching out actual playtest results though 26/03/2008 03:48:58 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› I think I just spurted impruedently with that, Fray 26/03/2008 03:49:06 ‹Watcher› Mothman, I have also felt daunted. I really only got to play with the new rules tonight before chat 26/03/2008 03:49:12 ‹Erik Mona› I doubt we are past the lag. It still seems real bad for me. 26/03/2008 03:49:20 ‹kruelaid› hey guys, hello everyone 26/03/2008 03:49:20 ‹Karelzarath› My playtest's going to be after the 1.1 update, sadly. 26/03/2008 03:49:41 ‹kruelaid› my ping is over 4000 ms 26/03/2008 03:49:42 ‹Charles Evans› Karzoug being killed, losing a lot of levels *and most of his treasure* (and I'm guessing the Pathfinder society would move in on Xin Shalast as a new regional headquarters) wouldn't strike me as not being much of an accomplishment. 26/03/2008 03:49:43 ‹Dorgar› I will Try to post some this weekend Jason my group is going to playtest Hollows Last Hope friday 26/03/2008 03:49:44 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› hey Kruel! 26/03/2008 03:49:49 ‹Daigle› Jason...I still have to work over my playtest notes from the other day, but I'll get them posted. 26/03/2008 03:49:53 ‹James Jacobs› But I do want to get a few more non-runelords adventure paths in the can before doing MUCH more with them. The mere fact that AP2 and AP3 take place in Varisia more or less ensures there'll be SOME runelord/Thassilon stuff, though. 26/03/2008 03:49:54 ‹Ross› My PbP is playtesting, but at the speeds PbP games move, the Beta might be out before they see combat. 26/03/2008 03:49:55 ‹Mothman› Watcher, Scribe: yeah, I dont want to be the one to start the 15th thread on skills, just to say the same thing 150 people before me have said.... 26/03/2008 03:50:20 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Erik Mona: We're not. I'm still stabbing. :knight: 26/03/2008 03:50:22 ‹Ross› I hope not, but that's sometimes how it works. 26/03/2008 03:50:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› My lag is bad still. I have also not yet actually played Pathfinder. 26/03/2008 03:50:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› yeah.. look for the [design focus] threads... those will be where I focus some of my efforts 03:50:49 ‹Karelzarath› Lilith: Get Presence to shut of the other sites on this server. ;) 26/03/2008 03:50:57 ‹Rambling Scribe› But I keep putting in suggestions for fixes that I use and know whork. 26/03/2008 03:51:00 ‹The Last Rogue› Well, guys I am off . . . Paizones keep up the good work, the rest of you too. See you guys (and gals) on the boards. 26/03/2008 03:51:05 ‹Mothman› Jason, ok, cool 26/03/2008 03:51:12 ‹Daigle› Havea great night The Last Rogue 26/03/2008 03:51:15 ‹Mothman› See you Rogue 26/03/2008 03:51:16 ‹Pygon› bye Rogue 26/03/2008 03:51:22 * Pygon cancels his displacement 26/03/2008 03:51:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Rogue 26/03/2008 03:51:28 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› g'night Last Rogue! 26/03/2008 03:51:28 * Samwise joins Main 26/03/2008 03:51:32 ‹Dorgar› night Rogue 26/03/2008 03:51:36 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› hey sam! 26/03/2008 03:51:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Welcome sam 26/03/2008 03:51:51 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam 26/03/2008 03:51:54 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Karelzarath: Yeahhh....I don't think that will happen. Plus, there are no other sites on this particular server. :P 26/03/2008 03:51:57 ‹Watcher› I just don't see rule interactions until I'm at the table rolling dice. That being said, I see why somethings were written the way they were more clearly now. The Clerical Turn/Healing that potentially heals your enemies makes sense to me now 26/03/2008 03:51:59 ‹Karelzarath› Sneak Attack!!! 26/03/2008 03:52:00 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There was a picture in Pathfinder #5 of 'Karzoug recruiting another soldier into his golden legion' or something like that... Are there any details for this as a game mechanic anywhere? Is it in the web supplement? Is it a template of some sort? 26/03/2008 03:52:01 * kruelaid quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:52:04 ‹Turin the Mad› AP sequels would be great IMO - gives a good reason to dust off old characters 26/03/2008 03:52:04 ‹Ross› Night, Rogue. 26/03/2008 03:52:32 ‹Ross› Taters! 26/03/2008 03:52:33 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:52:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher: I had a feeling that particular rule would take some actual playtesting for people to grok 26/03/2008 03:52:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› Jason: I'm thinking about writing a long detailed response to the alpha... is it better just to break it into its bits? Some of my responses have to do with connections and the gestalt. 26/03/2008 03:52:51 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's basically Karzoug dipping a guy in molten gold. I'd treat the effects of that as the same as being dipped in lava. 26/03/2008 03:53:05 ‹James Jacobs› His "golden legion" is a bunch of gold statues. 26/03/2008 03:53:12 ‹Fray› Jason Can you use a Turning Heal when there is no combat going on? 26/03/2008 03:53:17 ‹Ross› Charles Evans, I think he was just killing the fellow in a vat of gold. 26/03/2008 03:53:31 ‹Russ› Yay, t'tis Sir Erik 26/03/2008 03:53:36 ‹Karelzarath› "You fall in lava. You die." ;) 26/03/2008 03:53:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: Yes.. and soon we will be changing the name from Turning to something a bit more appropriate 26/03/2008 03:53:46 ‹Russ› I'm happy it seems like momentum is in favor of lawful good paladins 26/03/2008 03:53:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› (although not in the upcoming dev notes) 26/03/2008 03:54:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I had this idea that it might be a bunch of really cool half-constructs, warped by his transmutation magic, forced to serve his will for eternity... 26/03/2008 03:54:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: you have no worries there 26/03/2008 03:54:06 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, yes.. I thought it was crazy until I realized that you'll unbalance things if they do it in combat. You hold that turn healing back for in between encounters. That allows the cleric more diversity in their spell choice, but also makes COMBAT healing more valuable 26/03/2008 03:54:22 ‹James Jacobs› Paladins will, I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE still be Lawful Good only. Otherwise, they're not paladins in my mind. 26/03/2008 03:54:26 * RussToo joins Main 26/03/2008 03:54:28 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, When an evil cleric turns, does he hurt himself? If not, does a good cleric heal himself? 26/03/2008 03:54:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James: No worries.. that last thing I need is you glaring at me everyday for the rest of my life.. well.. more so than now 26/03/2008 03:54:54 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› LG paladins suck... CG paladins rock! FREEEDOM!!!!! 26/03/2008 03:54:59 ‹Karelzarath› James Jacobs: Preach on, my brutha! 26/03/2008 03:55:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross: both can chose to exclude themselves from the effect 26/03/2008 03:55:10 ‹Daigle› Ross, that was one of the questions we had as well 26/03/2008 03:55:21 ‹Pygon› N paladins! MEH, SMITE! 26/03/2008 03:55:17 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Oh... nah. That's an interesting idea, though... but not one we really pursued in our various bouts of Karzougery. 26/03/2008 03:55:17 * Russ quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:55:18 * Russ quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:55:20 ‹Hill Giant› Ross: As I read it, the cleric chooses whether to affect himself 26/03/2008 03:55:23 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› (full disclosure) I love LG paladins, too 26/03/2008 03:55:45 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I like LG paladins too. I just wish they could Smite Chaos too. 26/03/2008 03:55:55 * Samwise quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 03:56:15 ‹Mothman› Keep paladins LG only, please! 26/03/2008 03:56:24 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› paladins are my third favoritee class, after druid and ranger 26/03/2008 03:56:31 ‹RussToo› James - there's a lot of pressure to do otherwise, and a lot of misplaced love for that 8 variant paladins article (nearly every one of which was much more powerful than the original paladin) 26/03/2008 03:56:39 ‹Samwise› glarg 26/03/2008 03:56:41 ‹James Jacobs› Paladins are already the character-of-choice for the disruptive player, though. Giving them the ability to smite chaos is like a Licence to be a Jerk. 26/03/2008 03:56:45 ‹Mulban› I never understood all the pally hate 26/03/2008 03:56:54 ‹James Jacobs› Since chaotic PCs are a lot more common than evil ones. 26/03/2008 03:56:56 ‹Mothman› "I am a Paladin of Neutrality! Everyone remain ... neutral ... uninterested ... do not choose sides ..." 26/03/2008 03:57:01 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› No! Paladin of Freedom has it's place 26/03/2008 03:57:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: A runelord of greed served by elite golden soldiers formed from the remains of the treacherous, the criminal, those who simply failed him in some way... If the bond Villain Goldfinger could have used his enemies he smothered in gold as slaves, I'm sure that he would have. 26/03/2008 03:57:19 * RussToo changes his/her nickname to Russ 26/03/2008 03:57:25 ‹Samwise› glarg 26/03/2008 03:57:30 ‹Samwise› i am here 26/03/2008 03:57:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Despite the arguments, I am probably going to be staying on the conservative side on this one and keeping paladins LG 26/03/2008 03:57:31 ‹James Jacobs› RussTwo> I don't doubt that there's a place for variant paladins. THat place is not in the core rules. We're already clogged for space as it is. 26/03/2008 03:57:35 ‹Ross› It seems like the Lawful side of paladins gets neglected a lot. (I realize they have to be more good than they are lawful, otherwise you get Hellknights or Miko) 26/03/2008 03:57:40 ‹Charles Evans› If you have magic and happen to be a runelord of greed, why not flaunt it? 26/03/2008 03:57:43 ‹Mothman› Hey Samwise 26/03/2008 03:57:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is right 26/03/2008 03:57:47 ‹Erik Mona› I think the LG paladin is as safe as the CE succubus in Paizo land. 26/03/2008 03:57:48 ‹Samwise› hello?? 26/03/2008 03:58:00 ‹James Jacobs› I hate paladins becasue the bubble is broken in PVP. 26/03/2008 03:58:09 ‹Russ› I wouldn't mind the option of smiting chaos instead of evil 26/03/2008 03:58:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› CE succubus.. really.. oops.. :-) 26/03/2008 03:58:10 ‹Ross› Gavgoyle is lit, paladin of freedom is robin hood. Completely different achetype from heavy armor and warhorses. 26/03/2008 03:58:10 ‹Mothman› Theres a big lag tonight Sam 26/03/2008 03:58:22 ‹James Jacobs› mmmm... CE succubus... 26/03/2008 03:58:24 ‹Dorgar› lol 26/03/2008 03:58:30 ‹Watcher› Paladins require discipline, and the player has to be able to demonstrate some of that in how they play 26/03/2008 03:58:34 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› lol, erik" 26/03/2008 03:58:38 ‹Karelzarath› "Paladin of Freedom" is more like a ranger, in my mind. 26/03/2008 03:58:41 ‹Admin Lilith is AFC› Samwise! :glomp: 26/03/2008 03:58:44 ‹Mothman› James: PVP? 03:59:04 ‹Pygon› Moth - it's a WoW thing... 26/03/2008 03:59:03 ‹Russ› Holy liberator is fine, paladin of freedom is not :) 26/03/2008 03:59:13 ‹Karelzarath› PvP in D&D in an abomination! 26/03/2008 03:59:42 ‹Karelzarath› Nothing worse than getting ganked while returning a quest. 26/03/2008 03:59:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› brb.. 3 min 26/03/2008 03:59:58 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... I'm not all that huge a fan of variant paladins. And I even wrote up a bunch of them for Dragon! I just think that variant paladins kinda take away the mystique of the paladin in the first place. 26/03/2008 04:00:03 ‹Ross› I think a Paladin of Tyaranny works too, but CE has to be Blackguard. 26/03/2008 04:00:29 * Karelzarath <3 James Jacobs 26/03/2008 04:00:40 * Charles Evans has to sign out and reload the page... back in several minutes... 26/03/2008 04:00:44 ‹Hill Giant› Other ALs need to get their own schtick 26/03/2008 04:00:46 ‹Erik Mona› I played a paladin for 5 years in the Ptolus campaign. It is one of my most favoritist classes in the whole wide world. 26/03/2008 04:00:49 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yeah... just had me a Warcraft moment re: cheaty paladins. 26/03/2008 04:01:02 ‹Fray› Karel I hate it when another player Ninjas my loot 26/03/2008 04:01:02 ‹Samwise› thats a huge lag i would say 26/03/2008 04:01:20 ‹Wyvern› I use PrC Paladin, I don't see how a fresh out adventurer is a chosen of the gods. 26/03/2008 04:01:34 ‹Russ› Yes, paladin players excel at making the game all about them 26/03/2008 04:01:43 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> I think the other alignments DO have their own schticks. Chaotic has barbarians, lawful has monks, neutral has druids, etc. 26/03/2008 04:01:47 * Charles Evans quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:01:47 ‹Hill Giant› Wyvern: Joan of Arc? 26/03/2008 04:01:57 * Takasi AFC Prepping Burning Sk changes his/her nickname to Takasi 26/03/2008 04:02:03 ‹Mothman› my lag seems to be getting worse... 26/03/2008 04:02:04 ‹Dorgar› I have to agree with James these variants arn't really pallys. you wanna have some sort of champions for the different dieties im fine with that but a pally is LG 26/03/2008 04:02:11 ‹Pygon› paladins can be adventurers that choose Goodness as well. 26/03/2008 04:02:15 ‹Mothman› oh, no it just got better! 26/03/2008 04:02:27 ‹Mulban› I have to go to bed, it was good seeing everybody again. And nice to see the higher ups from Paizo here as well. 26/03/2008 04:02:27 * Samwise quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:02:36 ‹Ross› I outlined my thoughts on Paladin classes a few weeks ago in a thread where someone was trying to remember the Holy Liberator. LG and LE have knightly orders from first level. CE and CG need PrCs (Holy Lib. and Blackguard, respectively). 26/03/2008 04:02:38 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Mulban 26/03/2008 04:02:44 ‹Pygon› gnite Mulban 26/03/2008 04:02:59 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> The game IS all about me. 26/03/2008 04:03:04 ‹Mulban› You've done a great job Lilith, don't let the lag get you down 26/03/2008 04:03:10 ‹Mulban› Good night folks 26/03/2008 04:03:13 ‹Karelzarath› I'd love to see Blackguard expanded to a core class. 26/03/2008 04:03:15 ‹Russ› Prestige class paladins do make more sense to me. 26/03/2008 04:03:16 ‹theacemu› test 26/03/2008 04:03:17 ‹Takasi› After several TPKs, my Runelords game is now filled with monsters sent by the Scribbler to invade the Runeforge, James Jacobs, do you have a few words of inspiration for players building a 1.) doppelganger 2.) minotaur 3.) drow 4.) troll? 26/03/2008 04:03:19 ‹James Jacobs› I think I have to say, though... I think paladin is my least favorite class. 26/03/2008 04:03:20 * Mothman quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:03:21 * Mothman quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:03:33 ‹Dorgar› Night Mul 26/03/2008 04:03:39 ‹Watcher› Night! 26/03/2008 04:03:57 ‹Erik Mona› Does the 4e paladin have to be good? Is Lawful even in the game anymore? 26/03/2008 04:03:58 ‹Watcher› Lag improved here 26/03/2008 04:04:01 ‹Gavgoyle is lit› Druids uber alles. 26/03/2008 04:04:02 ‹Turin the Mad› I've not played one since 1e cavalier-paladin ... who died the same day he came into play 26/03/2008 04:04:12 ‹Karelzarath› James Jacobs: Because of the "all about me" aspect? 26/03/2008 04:04:12 * Admin Lilith is AFC changes his/her nickname to Lilith 26/03/2008 04:04:16 * Mulban quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:04:16 * Mulban quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:04:26 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> PCs should never be dopplegangers. Minotaurs are bad news because they have reach and their large size messes up too much stuff and keeps you from ever getting treasure. Trolls are just broken as PCs. Drow are cool, though. Play drow! 26/03/2008 04:04:31 * theacemu quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:04:32 * theacemu quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:04:42 ‹Russ› I'd rather the core rules not do anything to make playing evil easy or practical. 26/03/2008 04:04:49 ‹Erik Mona› My least favorite class is probably druid. 26/03/2008 04:04:49 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: Keep in mind that until Second Darkness comes along... the drow you THINK are in Goalrion aren't necessarilly the ones that ARE in Golarion. 26/03/2008 04:04:57 ‹Watcher› I agree Russ 26/03/2008 04:04:59 ‹Erik Mona› I sort of like all of the AD&D classes, though. 26/03/2008 04:05:01 ‹Russ› Monk is my least favorite. 26/03/2008 04:05:08 ‹Erik Mona› Even the poor thief-acrobat. 26/03/2008 04:05:10 * Gavgoyle is lit changes his/her nickname to kisses Lilith on the cheek and 26/03/2008 04:05:16 ‹Balthaczar› 2e cavalier 26/03/2008 04:05:21 ‹Watcher› Pimp AP 3 James! 26/03/2008 04:05:22 ‹Takasi› is it possible to travel from another prime then? I guess they'll just come in from the Realms or something 26/03/2008 04:05:26 ‹Karelzarath› Heh 26/03/2008 04:05:31 ‹Ross› Russ, hey! I like monks. 26/03/2008 04:05:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Either my last post got eaten or this was the worst lag yet. 26/03/2008 04:05:33 ‹Balthaczar› loved it in 8th grade first thing i ever played 26/03/2008 04:05:40 ‹Karelzarath› Gav is schnockered 26/03/2008 04:05:43 ‹Russ› Erik> Law and chaos are gone, I believe paladins can be any alignment, but not unaligned 26/03/2008 04:05:43 ‹Wyvern› Illusionist ftw! 26/03/2008 04:05:44 ‹Ross› My least favorite is bard. 26/03/2008 04:05:52 ‹Balthaczar› guess it was 1e 26/03/2008 04:05:58 * kisses Lilith on the cheek and changes his/her nickname to Gavgole is lit 26/03/2008 04:05:59 ‹James Jacobs› Karel> Nah... I like the "all about me" aspect. I just don't like roleplaying LG that much, and when I DM, Paladin players seem to want to play paladins so they can have rules to back up their disruptive play. 26/03/2008 04:05:59 ‹Russ› Neutral in 4E is now militant neutral, unaligned is uncommited neutral 26/03/2008 04:06:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Back 26/03/2008 04:06:03 * Mothman quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:06:05 * quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:06:09 ‹Erik Mona› Does closing the window and coming back in or clearing your cache or anything help with the lag? 26/03/2008 04:06:17 ‹Takasi› this doppleganger is from Complete Guide to Dopplegangers, from Goodman Games, you can turn into an ochre jelly, gelatinous cube, grey ooze and black pudding 26/03/2008 04:06:21 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Absolutely! Travelers from other material planes are perfectly acceptable! 26/03/2008 04:06:23 * Fake Healer joins Main 26/03/2008 04:06:36 ‹Karelzarath› Doesn't seem to, Erik 26/03/2008 04:06:36 ‹Russ› I would love a knight core class. But starting as a squire doesn't work that well. 26/03/2008 04:06:37 ‹Gavgole is lit› oh, yeah. alcohol in goodly quantities and an empty stomach do not make good friends 26/03/2008 04:06:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Clearing my cache has helped a bit.. I think 26/03/2008 04:06:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fake Healer!! 26/03/2008 04:06:55 ‹Watcher› Hi Fakey 26/03/2008 04:07:03 * Lilith stabs the server some more... 26/03/2008 04:07:06 ‹James Jacobs› eew... I would NOT want to have a player with those types of powers in my game. It'd be like running a freak show or a circuis. I MUCH prefer the PCs to be closer to humans. 26/03/2008 04:07:14 ‹Watcher› Erik, just got better for me for no reason 26/03/2008 04:07:28 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> That makes my inner grognard stir. 26/03/2008 04:07:33 ‹Russ› I want to like bards more than I do. 26/03/2008 04:07:34 * Gavgole is lit kisses Lilith on the cheek and hands her a flagon 26/03/2008 04:07:38 * Karelzarath is somewhat concerned about Fatespinner 26/03/2008 04:07:52 ‹Russ› Using Firefox helps me a lot with the lag 26/03/2008 04:07:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› test 26/03/2008 04:07:54 ‹Gavgole is lit› There we go! Celebrate the small vicotories! 26/03/2008 04:07:59 ‹Daigle› Why's that Karelzarath? 26/03/2008 04:08:03 ‹Takasi› I don't like it much usually either, but it's easier for me to believe that the Scribbler received monsters from Lamashtu than it is to come up with backstories for a random group of 12th level heroes... 26/03/2008 04:08:06 ‹James Jacobs› Huh. There's a big switch on my computer labeled "LAG: YES/NO" It's set to No. Think that's the problem? 26/03/2008 04:08:18 ‹Pygon› same here, Firefox runs the chat well although sometimes I get dropouts. Rarely though 26/03/2008 04:08:19 ‹Fake Healer› Yo. Forgot this was tonight....Dammit what'd I miss. 26/03/2008 04:08:28 ‹James Jacobs› Bards are my favorite class. Just ahead of clerics and druids. 26/03/2008 04:08:35 ‹Gavgole is lit› hey Fakey! 26/03/2008 04:08:37 ‹Russ› (although I still have brutal lag) 26/03/2008 04:08:42 * Turin the Mad quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:08:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake Healer: I was giving away money earlier.. sorry you missed it 26/03/2008 04:08:57 ‹Daigle› Fakey, we've been talking classes and alpha rules mainly. 26/03/2008 04:09:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› I run Firefox, and this is the first time I've had serious lag, other than on P-Day. 26/03/2008 04:09:08 ‹Gavgole is lit› Fakey: lag and a bit more lag interspersed with insighful posting 26/03/2008 04:09:09 ‹Russ› If you DO allow crazy races, make them less favorable choices. Playing the weird race is its own reward. 26/03/2008 04:09:18 ‹Ross› I love clerics. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that personally I'm a faithless heathen. 26/03/2008 04:09:19 ‹Erik Mona› I am using firefox. 26/03/2008 04:09:21 ‹Lilith› Tell us more about AP 3! 26/03/2008 04:09:27 ‹Takasi› but as a DM, I frequently play all sorts of strange monsters, and it helps to know more about them (minotaurs, drow, doppelgangers, etc) too 26/03/2008 04:09:30 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: I haven't heard from him all day. Not even a text message. 26/03/2008 04:09:32 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe: Very very bad lag...:( 26/03/2008 04:09:39 ‹Russ› I'm gonna miss law vs. chaos, I found them very interesting 26/03/2008 04:09:47 ‹Pygon› Karel - odd 26/03/2008 04:09:52 ‹Daigle› That's not like him. Hmmm 26/03/2008 04:10:00 ‹Takasi› James Jacobs, thanks for sending the newsletter message about the AP ideas 26/03/2008 04:10:08 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: more interesting than good and evil. 26/03/2008 04:10:10 ‹Fake Healer› cool. I don't need money anyway... 26/03/2008 04:10:13 ‹Russ› Wizards are by far my favorite class. 26/03/2008 04:10:14 ‹Takasi› I really enjoyed the AP 4 idea for 'taming the civilization' 26/03/2008 04:10:17 ‹Daigle› Well, everyone can miss a day here and there. 26/03/2008 04:10:20 ‹Lilith› Fake Healer! :glomp: 26/03/2008 04:10:22 ‹Takasi› 'taming the wilderness' that is 26/03/2008 04:10:40 ‹Russ› I guess rogues are actually my least favorite, rogues just manage to suck in nearly every edition. I wish they didn't. D8s is a good start. 26/03/2008 04:10:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake: Really.. cuz I could use some more... :-) 26/03/2008 04:10:55 ‹James Jacobs› No prob, Takasi! Not sure if any of those are going to pan out into anything, but those are my current ideas. 26/03/2008 04:10:56 ‹Gavgole is lit› I think my head is starting to hit the keyboard now. I'll see ya 26/03/2008 04:10:59 ‹Fake Healer› Hey baby! 26/03/2008 04:11:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: I am doing what I can... 26/03/2008 04:11:05 ‹Hill Giant› According to the '4E lite' boneclaws are unaligned, but kobolds are evil. That's some wierd morality. 26/03/2008 04:11:10 ‹Gavgole is lit› y'all later 26/03/2008 04:11:10 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, in order to pimp AP 3, tell us about the inter-relation of this GenCon Prequel and AP 3? How are they related? Will lucky GenCon participants play Drow? 26/03/2008 04:11:13 ‹Daigle› Rogues are my fave! Followed by clerics. 26/03/2008 04:11:22 ‹James Jacobs› I quite enjoyed the taming the wilderness elements in Savage Tide, and thought that they could have gone a LOT more into that arena... 26/03/2008 04:11:26 ‹Fake Healer› Jason- then make me a good product so I can throw much at you. 26/03/2008 04:11:30 ‹Daigle› Bye Gav! 26/03/2008 04:11:33 * Lilith guzzles the flagon...:beer: 26/03/2008 04:11:38 ‹Karelzarath› The Alpha rogue is pretty kickass. 26/03/2008 04:11:47 ‹Lilith› Karelzarath: Yeah, he's not been around all day... 26/03/2008 04:11:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake: i'm on it 26/03/2008 04:11:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks Karelzarath 26/03/2008 04:11:55 ‹Ross› Alright everyone. Time for me to go. It's late, and I still need to update my PbP before bed. 26/03/2008 04:11:56 ‹Dorgar› later Gav 26/03/2008 04:11:58 ‹Russ› I don't care for "unaligned" PCs. I can understand a dog being unaligned, but a PC race needs to pick a side already. 26/03/2008 04:12:01 ‹Gavgole is lit› fingers might repond to brain at later date 26/03/2008 04:12:07 ‹Pygon› bye Ross 26/03/2008 04:12:06 ‹Takasi› Bloodsworn is a good backdrop for that too, but it didn't quite go in the right direction 26/03/2008 04:12:15 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> I'm not sure what "Gen Con Prequel" you're talking about... 26/03/2008 04:12:18 ‹Takasi› I was hoping for a Birthright style AP 26/03/2008 04:12:22 ‹Fake Healer› *Fakey goes to bug the wifey for more money for Jason..* 26/03/2008 04:12:23 ‹Karelzarath› Bye, Gav 26/03/2008 04:12:34 ‹Karelzarath› Bye, Ross 26/03/2008 04:12:35 ‹Watcher› ??? 26/03/2008 04:12:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› I can't decide if I'm unaligned or neutral... 26/03/2008 04:12:51 ‹Watcher› I'll find a link for you 26/03/2008 04:13:08 ‹Karelzarath› Y'know, Fakey... as long as you're handing it out... :D 26/03/2008 04:13:14 * JasonKain joins Main 26/03/2008 04:13:16 ‹Takasi› the entire AP is trying to build bridges, towns, manors, castles, wizard towers, etc 26/03/2008 04:13:17 * ollibolli on his way to the ai joins Main 26/03/2008 04:13:22 ‹Takasi› and nefarious forces try to stop you 26/03/2008 04:13:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hey now Karelzarath.. wait your turn 26/03/2008 04:13:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I get all his money first.. then you 26/03/2008 04:13:35 * Gavgole is lit quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:13:39 * Ross quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:13:40 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason 26/03/2008 04:13:40 ‹Fake Healer› lol 26/03/2008 04:13:41 * Ross quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:13:42 * Ross quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:13:42 * Ross quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:13:53 * Daigle wants a cut too 26/03/2008 04:14:02 ‹Karelzarath› Rambling Scribe: Would you like the pasta or the noodles? The marinara or the red sauce? ;) 26/03/2008 04:14:03 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> A birthright style AP is certainly a strong possibility. 26/03/2008 04:14:09 ‹Russ› I would like to see a Combat feat or feats to interfere with tumbling, concentration, and perhaps even spring attack. Harrying Attack or some such. 26/03/2008 04:14:11 ‹Takasi› and the BBEGs have a grip on the area, and the AP includes eroding their power 26/03/2008 04:14:27 * Rambling Scribe cuts Daigle. 26/03/2008 04:14:40 ‹Charles Evans› Takasi:With alliances needed for a military action? 26/03/2008 04:14:46 ‹Rambling Scribe› :knight: 26/03/2008 04:14:48 ‹Takasi› but you know all the main bad guys up front, their influence is well known and part of the companion guide 26/03/2008 04:14:54 * Daigle bleeds marbles. 26/03/2008 04:15:03 ‹ollibolli on his way to the ai› Good morning from germany 26/03/2008 04:15:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: That is not a bad idea... I still have room for more... 26/03/2008 04:15:14 ‹Pygon› good morning olli 26/03/2008 04:15:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Moring Ollibolli 26/03/2008 04:15:24 ‹Russ› an AP based on overthrowing a nation would be great. 26/03/2008 04:15:28 ‹Takasi› right Charles, with lots of very open ended plot hooks, the actual modules are specific interesting missions and scenarios 26/03/2008 04:15:52 * Presence joins Main 26/03/2008 04:16:06 ‹Pygon› victory points, etc.? 26/03/2008 04:15:54 ‹Karelzarath› Morning, Olli. Hope the flight's a good one. 26/03/2008 04:16:05 ‹Takasi› or building a nation by squashing despots and chaotic warring factions 26/03/2008 04:16:19 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: You might want to have that looked at. 26/03/2008 04:16:29 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Crimson Throne's kinda about overthrowing a nation already... sort of... 26/03/2008 04:16:31 ‹Wyvern› Heya Presence 26/03/2008 04:16:38 ‹Fake Healer› I kinda like the Victory points from Farshore, that would work for a path like that. 26/03/2008 04:16:47 ‹Samwise› Jason>i would think those skill uses qualify under the threads about auto-action and auto-negates, and is related to save or die effects as i see it 26/03/2008 04:16:56 ‹Russ› If you want really fun, an AP built around two competing groups, one pro-establishment, one anti-, eventually they meet in head-to-head conflict :) 26/03/2008 04:17:02 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, just so you don't think I'm crazy.. this is a quote from Josh Frost. The moment you can sign-up for Gen Con events, I'd highly suggest you sign-up for one of our Pathfinder Society slots as space will be limited for Season 0 and we expect a sellout crowd. Also, be sure to look for our Ascension of the Drow mega event on Friday night of Gen Con. 26/03/2008 04:17:05 ‹Samwise› what russ said about anti-tumbling feats and such 26/03/2008 04:17:15 ‹Watcher› You won't want to miss this exciting prequel to the Second Darkness Adventure Path--the results of which will influence all of Golarion! 26/03/2008 04:17:17 ‹Wyvern› Victory points might work, open ended sandboxy-thing not so much. 26/03/2008 04:17:42 ‹Watcher› http://paizo.com/paizo/message...Society 26/03/2008 04:17:43 ‹Samwise› but instead of feats, just change the mechanic, maybe tumble skill can replace ac for aoo's, the way a ride skill can replace ac on a mount 26/03/2008 04:17:48 * ollibolli on his way to the ai changes his/her nickname to ollibolli soon to aitport 04:17:53 ‹Presence› Hello. :) 26/03/2008 04:18:10 ‹Russ› Don't know if it'd worked to make it against the higher of the original check or CMB + 15 , but that's one thought (assuming I remembered the base CMB dC) 26/03/2008 04:18:24 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Ah yes. That's something that we're working on doing... but the people working on it haven't really talked to me much about how it fits into Second Darkness yet. 26/03/2008 04:18:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: We are looking into ways to make the tumble and concentration DCs scale a bit better 26/03/2008 04:18:35 ‹Daigle› Howdy Presence 26/03/2008 04:18:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: we have thought about that, but it has its problems 26/03/2008 04:19:11 ‹Samwise› the details are obviously a game balance thing that has to go through development, im just thinking in general terms of addressing it 26/03/2008 04:19:16 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, ah.. okay. Chalk it up to not knowing how things work at your office. Sometimes I can't tell who should know what about what 26/03/2008 04:19:17 ‹Samwise› and looking at it is a start :) 26/03/2008 04:19:17 ‹ollibolli soon to aitport› in 15 minutes the taxi will arrive 26/03/2008 04:19:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› Samwise: I've been a proponent of that for a while! 26/03/2008 04:19:22 ‹Russ› Samwise - one advantage of it being a Combat feat is that if you want to supress them, that's the only Combat feat you get to use that round 26/03/2008 04:19:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: that it is... 26/03/2008 04:19:48 ‹Samwise› errr . . . that seems a bit much russ, but possibly 26/03/2008 04:19:50 ‹Russ› when does PF #8 ship? 26/03/2008 04:19:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: which is why I like that thought... 26/03/2008 04:19:58 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Heh... same here. 26/03/2008 04:20:14 * JasonKain changes his/her nickname to Joseph 26/03/2008 04:20:15 ‹Jason Bulmahn› But just outright supressing them might be a bit much.. it might be better to just make them a bit harder... 26/03/2008 04:20:19 ‹Watcher› :) 26/03/2008 04:20:36 ‹Watcher› Well, night folks. Maybe with another person gone the lag will improve. 26/03/2008 04:20:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I will keep it in mind though, one way or the other 26/03/2008 04:20:45 ‹Lilith› Presence! My hero! 26/03/2008 04:20:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night watcher... 26/03/2008 04:20:48 ‹James Jacobs› I have No Idea when PF8 will ship, alas. Hopefully soon. 26/03/2008 04:20:53 ‹Samwise› going the other way on that, have you considered expanding concentration to the D20 Modern version? 26/03/2008 04:20:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bye Watcher 26/03/2008 04:21:00 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Watcher! 26/03/2008 04:21:03 ‹Fake Healer› Cya watcher. 26/03/2008 04:21:13 ‹Samwise› where it can be used to avoid aoo's for things like disable device during combat and what not 26/03/2008 04:21:16 ‹Dorgar› night watcher 26/03/2008 04:21:19 ‹Samwise› or drinking potions and such 26/03/2008 04:21:19 ‹Wyvern› I'm out too, see ya guys later. 26/03/2008 04:21:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm still waiting for PF 7 and Harrow... 26/03/2008 04:21:31 * ollibolli soon to aitport quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:21:31 * ollibolli soon to aitport quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:21:32 * ollibolli soon to aitport quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:21:47 * Watcher quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:21:48 ‹Pygon› good night Wyvern 26/03/2008 04:21:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: I have thought of that, but I am not so sure I want to expand its use that broadly.. makes the skill a bit too valuable 26/03/2008 04:22:04 ‹Daigle› Night Wyvern! 26/03/2008 04:22:05 ‹Russ› I kind of wish casting defensively let you (maybe) get the spell off when you failed, by making you provoke instead of losing the spell 26/03/2008 04:22:07 ‹Dorgar› night wyvern 26/03/2008 04:22:31 ‹Karelzarath› Mmm... Harrow Deck... 26/03/2008 04:22:34 * Wyvern quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:22:34 ‹Lilith› Presence! My hero! :glomp: 26/03/2008 04:22:36 ‹Russ› And will you be taking (volunteer presumably) writers for the living campaign? :) 26/03/2008 04:22:37 ‹Samwise› Jason>i think it would balance in that even though it makes it useful to everyone, not everyone could use every aspect of it 26/03/2008 04:22:48 ‹Samwise› simply because everyone will not have every skill to use it with 26/03/2008 04:22:59 ‹Dorgar› thats not a bad idea russ I kinda like that 26/03/2008 04:23:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: True... 26/03/2008 04:23:05 ‹Fake Healer› I just got my Harrow. Seems cool. 26/03/2008 04:23:11 ‹Joseph› If I seem quiet, it's because my ping is bouncing between 1500 and 3000. I'd like to participate...but I'm doubting it at this point. 26/03/2008 04:23:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: that is a possibility I am thinking about as well 26/03/2008 04:23:33 ‹Pygon› I kind of like it too, but the way it is now it's sort of proof against an AoO, which arcane casters can certainly do without 26/03/2008 04:23:33 ‹Dorgar› The cast defensively thing that is 26/03/2008 04:23:41 ‹James Jacobs› We're going to need a lot of writers for the Org Play stuff... although I'm not sure how we'll be handling that exactly quite yet... 26/03/2008 04:23:45 ‹Russ› I hate the full-round potion draw-and-use. 26/03/2008 04:24:20 ‹Takasi› I'm kind of afraid that you're going to change the rules to make it easier to justify the stories you want to write 26/03/2008 04:24:40 ‹Takasi› and I know that sounds obvious and 'right' to you, but let me give an example 26/03/2008 04:24:40 ‹Fake Healer› Russ-Get a handy Haversack then. 26/03/2008 04:24:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: me too actually.. there are a number of ways to address that.. one of which I am deeply considering is that anything on your belt is a move action to draw, but can be pulled as part of a move action if your bab is +1 26/03/2008 04:25:11 ‹Pygon› my campaign has a limited number of items on a belt. It works. 26/03/2008 04:25:15 * Russ is kind of free-thinking due to chat lag 26/03/2008 04:25:17 ‹Samwise› Jason>that just requires a more general redefinition of "weapon like object" 26/03/2008 04:25:17 ‹Takasi› I'm afraid you guys will nerf spells like locate object 26/03/2008 04:25:27 ‹Samwise› which of course is a major to do in LG 26/03/2008 04:25:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: Yup 26/03/2008 04:25:29 ‹Mothman› Jason: I like that idea re the belt draw - you would probably need to specify how many items can be held in a belt 26/03/2008 04:25:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: I am less worried about that spell than I am "find the path" 26/03/2008 04:26:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: this is true... 26/03/2008 04:26:13 ‹Erik Mona› We are going to have day long meetings about this sort of stuff on Thursday and Friday, when Mr. Logue makes his premier employee performance at the Paizo offices. Reader-submitted adventures will play a significant role in the campaign, I suspect. 26/03/2008 04:26:17 ‹Russ› Fake - havers are move eq in 3.5E 26/03/2008 04:26:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› I allow my players to buy and "equipment harness" that has a number of specialized compartemnts, all of which can have items retrieved from them like drawing a weapon. 26/03/2008 04:26:34 ‹Balthaczar› dont beat him too hard 26/03/2008 04:26:57 ‹Samwise› Jason>how much will you "deal" with divinations? ending the automatic alignment auras on everyone and going to back to 1st edition version of the detect alignment spells? 26/03/2008 04:27:05 ‹Pygon› don't worry, there's a slot in the door to feed him through, and the window closes if he's bad. 26/03/2008 04:27:00 ‹Charles Evans› Rabling: I think that was real Forgotten Realms item. 26/03/2008 04:27:03 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah, find the path is an abomination. 26/03/2008 04:27:15 ‹Russ› I want Find the PAth to be bleeping WELL DEFINED 26/03/2008 04:27:30 ‹Russ› Can I tell it to "lead me to Dragotha's lair?" 26/03/2008 04:27:42 ‹Russ› Or is that not actually a "location"? 26/03/2008 04:27:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: I am still working on those... 26/03/2008 04:28:08 * Samwise quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:28:12 * Joseph quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:28:12 * Joseph quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:28:12 * Joseph quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:28:14 ‹Russ› A 4th ed idea I think is worth taking is the move-to-swift trade down. And adjusting a few easy things to be swifts instead of moves (i.e. draw an item becomes swift) 26/03/2008 04:28:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: Find the Path is going to be more clearly defined.. and a bit nerfed to be honest.. that spell could currently be called "find the plot killer" 26/03/2008 04:28:28 * Charles Evans dreams of a Fiond the Path which only works to locations on the same plane which you have visited before.... 26/03/2008 04:28:29 ‹Balthaczar› what spells break an adventure? i usually only played melee and no am dming so i want to be prepared 26/03/2008 04:28:47 ‹Balthaczar› now* 26/03/2008 04:29:05 ‹Pygon› raise dead :) j/k 26/03/2008 04:29:03 ‹Russ› A more specific case is could Darl Quethos used it to "take me to the Diamond Fist's campsite", as he did in my AoW game. I think that was ok, but who knows. 26/03/2008 04:29:06 ‹James Jacobs› Locate Object has enough restrictions on it already... it doesn't really need MUCH nerfing, although I could settle for bumping it up a level. Find the Path is the spell that needs to go. 26/03/2008 04:29:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Balthaczar: Watch out for Web, grease, black tentacles, heroes feast, find the path.. its actually a long list... 26/03/2008 04:29:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› These spells are not evil per say.. they just cause a lot of headaches.. 26/03/2008 04:29:40 ‹Balthaczar› i have a player who loves to pull these things out to do just that 26/03/2008 04:29:56 ‹Balthaczar› i want to discuss before it comes up in game 26/03/2008 04:30:05 ‹Russ› Balth - detect thoughts, detect evil, teleport, wind walk, find the path, discern location, probe thoughts (not core), true seeing 26/03/2008 04:30:11 ‹Mothman› There is a difference between a spell being a game killer, and being something that a player (or DM) can find creative uses for... 26/03/2008 04:30:15 ‹Takasi› I have a question about PFRPG, if you did a comparison of it with the standard 3.5 OGL, how percentage of changes would you say you want to make? 26/03/2008 04:30:35 ‹Pygon› speak with dead can cause problems too 26/03/2008 04:30:39 ‹Takasi› word for word, how much will be the same exact verbiage and how much will differ? 26/03/2008 04:30:49 ‹Samwise› heh 26/03/2008 04:30:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: Its probably smaller than you think.. remember, i am only showing changes right now in the alpha 26/03/2008 04:30:57 ‹Fake Healer› Glitterdust is sometimes hard when you have someone toss out a DC of 18+ 26/03/2008 04:30:57 ‹Samwise› black tentacles needs a major smiting 26/03/2008 04:30:58 ‹Balthaczar› i dont mind creative uses 26/03/2008 04:31:02 ‹Mothman› A couple of the spells mentioned might be "broken" ... most, the DM just has to be aware of, I dont think they should be taken out of the game or nerfed 26/03/2008 04:31:11 ‹Russ› Hero's Feast could certainly stand a nerf, since it makes poison/fear irrelevant for high level games. I'd prefer it reduced paniced/frightened/shaken one level 26/03/2008 04:31:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman: I agree for the most part.. some need some clarity adjustments.. but that is about it... 26/03/2008 04:31:44 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Any chance of fly requiring concentration (or spellcraft) for goodmaneuverability, and therefore spellcasters being better with it than the straight fighter types who chug a potion? 26/03/2008 04:31:46 ‹Takasi› like spells, will magic missile be word for word? 26/03/2008 04:31:52 ‹Mothman› Jason: Yes, some need to be further clarified! 26/03/2008 04:31:57 ‹Russ› I'd like to see the rules also address stackign of fear effects and weariness effects. It gets a little ridiculous when a lizard that spits blood can make you shaken, and then a cause fear can make you flee EVEn if you make your save. 26/03/2008 04:32:00 ‹Balthaczar› great list , this will help out huge 26/03/2008 04:32:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles: Arcane spellcasters can take Fly as a class skill, so they can be better... 26/03/2008 04:32:19 ‹Russ› Likewise, the combination of waves of fatigue + ray of exhaustion is automatic exhaustion 26/03/2008 04:32:30 ‹Takasi› fly as a class skill? what? 26/03/2008 04:32:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› For wizards.. 26/03/2008 04:32:54 ‹Mothman› Takasi: You havent seen the "Flight" skill debate? 26/03/2008 04:32:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mind you... it does not allow you to fly as a skill alone 26/03/2008 04:33:06 * Takasi just shakes his head and says RIP 3rd edition... 26/03/2008 04:33:08 ‹Samwise› Russ>i wrote about heroes feast in a post, i was talking about it with eric menge and we both agreed it was too much, especially when extended - feh! 26/03/2008 04:33:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› It just lets you do crazy things while flying 26/03/2008 04:33:10 ‹Mothman› Flight or Fly ... can't remember 26/03/2008 04:33:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fly 26/03/2008 04:33:18 ‹Russ› CE - the fly skill does a lot with that. 26/03/2008 04:33:37 ‹Charles Evans› Jason:I would have thought it could be folded into spellcraft, and maybe give wizards a bonus to checks related? 26/03/2008 04:33:45 ‹Russ› glibness is an adventure breaker the other way: basically, it is impossible to catch someone lying because the bonus is so stupidly high. 26/03/2008 04:33:47 ‹Daigle› I love the idea of the Fly skill..personally 26/03/2008 04:34:07 ‹Pygon› if a player wants to design a PC around it, sure 26/03/2008 04:34:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› It does not make sense for flying creatures to need spellcraft though... 26/03/2008 04:34:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Climb and Swim each have a skill... so should fly 26/03/2008 04:34:20 ‹Joseph› I hate asking this if it's already been answered, but I'm curious. Most combat feats seem to offer new/different attack options, but I'm curious as to why Dodge, Mobility, Point Blank Shot, and Precise shot were changed to Combat feats? 26/03/2008 04:34:25 * Samwise quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:34:39 ‹Takasi› um, so should RUN have a skill? 26/03/2008 04:34:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joseph: some of them fit rather well thematically.. Point Blank and Precise shot have been changed back 26/03/2008 04:34:53 ‹Russ› Taking the edge off of poison and fear would be more than enough, vs. totally immune. 26/03/2008 04:34:55 ‹Mothman› Run has a feat! 26/03/2008 04:34:58 ‹James Jacobs› It does, Takasi; it's called Tumble. 26/03/2008 04:35:01 ‹Daigle› No, run is a simple action that has a feat 26/03/2008 04:35:02 ‹Balthaczar› lol 26/03/2008 04:35:04 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Flying creatures with wings use WINGS... not requirement to conetrate (in a sort of mind-over-matter) fashion to maneuver... or at least not in my opinion...:-? 26/03/2008 04:35:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: No.. but doing acrobatic maneuvers on the ground requires a Acrobatics check 26/03/2008 04:35:14 ‹Russ› Did you throw in a Take 10 rule for natural fliers? 26/03/2008 04:35:22 ‹Russ› THANK GOD dodge was changed, that is all I have to say 26/03/2008 04:35:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: yes 26/03/2008 04:35:37 ‹Daigle› Probably a racial bonus Russ 26/03/2008 04:35:43 ‹Daigle› too 26/03/2008 04:35:43 ‹Takasi› Climb, Swim and 'Fly' I assume won't prevent Aoo's 26/03/2008 04:36:01 ‹Joseph› Ah. I understand most of the reasoning, just those four threw me for a bit of a loop. Especially the Dodge chain. 26/03/2008 04:36:03 ‹Fake Healer› Are we gonna see a playable race of fliers. 26/03/2008 04:36:06 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. Maybe a fly skill for creatures with (Ex.) means of flight, and spellcraft for those with (Su.) or (Sp.)? 26/03/2008 04:36:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: Nope.. if you take a look, there are a list of standard things you can do while flying.. if you want to do something more difficult than that, you just need to make a check 26/03/2008 04:36:26 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh... I've been more or less coughing non stop for the past 20 minutes... That means it's time to hit the sack. 04:36:30 ‹Mothman› Regarding "Why would flying creatures need a Fly skill?" - Aquatic creatures need a Swim skill .... under the current rules 26/03/2008 04:36:44 ‹Joseph› Hope you feel better, Mr. Jacobs. 26/03/2008 04:36:53 ‹Pygon› thank you for stopping by James, get better soon. 26/03/2008 04:36:50 ‹Daigle› Get some rest James! Have a good night! 26/03/2008 04:36:54 ‹Takasi› I hope magic missile is word for word from the standard OGL 26/03/2008 04:36:57 ‹James Jacobs› Unless there's any more Pathfinder (non-alpha) questions... I'mout! 26/03/2008 04:36:59 ‹Fake Healer› Night James. 26/03/2008 04:37:06 ‹Mothman› James: See you man - get some proper rest! 26/03/2008 04:37:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: it is 26/03/2008 04:37:09 ‹Balthaczar› quick question about hook mountain, what kind of boat would be most approriate for pc to take from magniamar to turtleback? night james 26/03/2008 04:37:10 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight James Jacobs... I should hope I have *a Lot* more questions for you for next week... 26/03/2008 04:37:10 ‹Dorgar› night James 26/03/2008 04:37:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night James, see you tomorrow 26/03/2008 04:37:18 ‹Takasi› good night James, I wish Alpha wasn't the focus, but it is... 26/03/2008 04:37:24 ‹Russ› Get better, Jason 26/03/2008 04:37:28 ‹Erik Mona› Both use the same maneuverability rules. Why should the rules for their ability to fly work differently? 26/03/2008 04:37:34 ‹Charles Evans› :) 26/03/2008 04:37:56 ‹James Jacobs› Best boat to go from Magnimar to Turtleback? Probably a barge, since once you're off the Yondabakari, deep draft boats start having trouble. 26/03/2008 04:38:18 ‹Balthaczar› excellent, going to start that tommrow 26/03/2008 04:38:25 ‹Russ› Thank you for taking between-round facing out of flying. 26/03/2008 04:38:27 ‹Takasi› that's reassuring Jason, don't let these 'innovative' ideas take away your 'old guard' status 26/03/2008 04:38:27 ‹Balthaczar› planning some boat fight 26/03/2008 04:38:30 ‹Erik Mona› Night, James (by the time this appears you will probably already be gone). 26/03/2008 04:38:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: no problem 26/03/2008 04:38:46 ‹James Jacobs› Nope! Just in time, Erik! 26/03/2008 04:38:47 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya later! 26/03/2008 04:38:52 ‹Lilith› Night James! :thug: 26/03/2008 04:38:54 ‹Dorgar› I'm out to all have a good night and once again thanks for the time you folks dedicate to the fans 26/03/2008 04:38:58 ‹Russ› What are the rules for spirited charge going to look like? At least I PRAY they will get changed. Right now, cav builds either (1) nuke everything or (2) are mostly useless, changing every fight 26/03/2008 04:39:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: it is a fine line to walk.. I am doing what I can 26/03/2008 04:39:08 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Dorgar 26/03/2008 04:39:16 ‹Samwise› oh . . . speaking of cav builds . . . 26/03/2008 04:39:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Dorgar 26/03/2008 04:39:20 ‹Charles Evans› Erik MonaL If you're flying by (ex.) means, I would imagine muscles, etc are involved and it is a phjysical process... If you are flying by (Su.) or (sp.) means, I would think mental finesse is involved. 26/03/2008 04:39:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thansk for stopping by 26/03/2008 04:39:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well folks, I'm bushed too, and the lag is making more tired. 26/03/2008 04:39:32 ‹Samwise› Jason>rephrase the way charge is written ;) 26/03/2008 04:39:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› Have a good night everyone! 26/03/2008 04:39:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambing: Night 26/03/2008 04:39:45 ‹Balthaczar› gnight 26/03/2008 04:39:50 * James Jacobs quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:39:51 ‹Daigle› Dream well Craig! 26/03/2008 04:39:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Except of course, now the lag is way better.... 26/03/2008 04:39:55 ‹Takasi› Are you building for balance or to make what should make sense in a game world? 26/03/2008 04:39:58 ‹Samwise› either get rid of the "straight line" or "directly towards" part, or just make more allowances 26/03/2008 04:40:01 ‹Fake Healer› night Scribe. 26/03/2008 04:40:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: both whenever possible 26/03/2008 04:40:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Favoring game balance when not. 26/03/2008 04:40:35 ‹Samwise› i personally favor the highly restrictive D20 Modern version, but i know most people do not 26/03/2008 04:40:37 * Dorgar quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:40:41 ‹Fake Healer› Good answer Jason. 26/03/2008 04:40:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: I have not touched those rules yet... time will tell 26/03/2008 04:40:52 ‹Presence› Lag is difficult in this room. 26/03/2008 04:41:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› For everyone but me it seems 26/03/2008 04:41:02 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> I hear what you're saying, here, but I think the additional complexity is not worth what you get by splitting the skill. 26/03/2008 04:41:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Woot 26/03/2008 04:41:06 ‹Presence› I'm trying to make it better on the server, but its really challenging. 26/03/2008 04:41:11 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:41:40 ‹Samwise› Jason>as i said, i know my preference, and i know others do not share it, i would just like the rules to be definite, even if it is not how i want them :) 26/03/2008 04:41:41 ‹Charles Evans› Flight by (su.) or (Sp.) means is trying to control/maneuver via a spell (unless the spell is a transmutation one which grows you wings) 26/03/2008 04:41:48 ‹Daigle› Presence, sorry for stressing your servers. 26/03/2008 04:41:51 ‹Daigle› ;) 26/03/2008 04:41:58 ‹Mothman› Presence, why is the lag so bad in this room? Due to number of users? 26/03/2008 04:41:59 ‹Fake Healer› When is the next Alpha update dropping? 26/03/2008 04:42:00 ‹Takasi› I don't like the power creep 26/03/2008 04:42:07 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: Ah. If complexity is what you're worrying about... *sigh* 26/03/2008 04:42:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: You and I both know that is chasing one's own tail.. you can get a hold, but you can't keep it. We'll make it as tight as we can 26/03/2008 04:42:54 ‹Samwise› heh 26/03/2008 04:42:54 ‹Lilith› Presence: I'm looking at the software to try and see if there's anything to jigger with on my end... 26/03/2008 04:42:55 ‹Russ› I dunno. A lot of the feats are depowered. 26/03/2008 04:43:01 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: I like things to make sense too much and to be logical to me, too much of the time, I think. 26/03/2008 04:43:05 ‹Samwise› yes, some rules are like that 26/03/2008 04:43:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake: there should be a development notes update tomorrow I think (although I have the text of it right here if there are more questions), but the next major update will be as soon as we can finish it 26/03/2008 04:43:12 ‹Russ› I think these core classes fit better with the "revised" WotC power level in the splatbooks 04:43:24 ‹Samwise› they are just a pain waiting to have some way of misinterpreting it 26/03/2008 04:43:32 ‹Charles Evans› Fortunately, for the world, I suspect I am in a minority.... 26/03/2008 04:43:52 ‹Samwise› then again, i still favor old style wargaming rules, everything numbered in cases and subcases :P 26/03/2008 04:43:58 * Absinth joins Main 26/03/2008 04:44:03 ‹Russ› Rules are best read with an eye towards spirit, trying to hairsplit semantics leads to getting the rules wrong 26/03/2008 04:44:06 ‹Daigle› Jason, will other classes come out in the next major update? 26/03/2008 04:44:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ: It did sort of come out that way, but the real focus was just to even them up with pclasses... i really did want to make that more of a choice, and less of an automatic decision because pclasses were so much better in many cases 26/03/2008 04:44:26 ‹Presence› Oh wow, found one thing I want to change with phpFreeChat: I'm going to increase the "refresh time" from 1 second to 3 seconds. 26/03/2008 04:44:28 ‹Samwise› i soooooooooooo want to see movement written "Characters may not save movement from round to round, or transfer movement between characters." 26/03/2008 04:44:39 ‹Presence› I know its not as great, but really, we gotta start somewhere. 26/03/2008 04:44:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle.. yes, check the last page of release 1 26/03/2008 04:44:40 * Russ may have mentioned earlier he is playing around with doing a new barbarian 26/03/2008 04:44:49 ‹Russ› I wouldn't mind seeing NO prestige classes. 26/03/2008 04:44:50 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Did you see my suggestion that the spell Permanency be replaced with a Feat (maybe bonus for some spell-casters) Craft permanent spell 26/03/2008 04:44:51 ‹Takasi› that's a good point Russ, but I'm just worried that it will make what I remember as classic 3.5 something that's no longer really supported by Paizo 26/03/2008 04:44:55 ‹Absinth› Morning...*rubs eyes* 26/03/2008 04:45:04 ‹Fake Healer› What, in general, does the development notes entail? Are they just outlines of changes or the changes themselves? 26/03/2008 04:45:14 ‹Russ› I'm also in favor of eliminating stacking of the 1st level +2 save bonus 26/03/2008 04:45:19 ‹Pygon› hi Abs 26/03/2008 04:45:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth 26/03/2008 04:45:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake: They are changes to the text as it currently stands. The text document will be updated to reflect these changes 26/03/2008 04:46:13 ‹Presence› Lilith, I'm also going to look into memcached or eaccellerator. 26/03/2008 04:46:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› In otherwords, the document will be posted as release 1.1 and there will be a 4 page pdf summarizing the changes 26/03/2008 04:46:33 ‹Samwise› Russ>actually . . . someone on the WotC boards was kvetching about PFRPG not being compatible with all splatbook classes, and said they were getting too many cool abilities at higher levels so no one would want to take a prestige class 26/03/2008 04:46:34 ‹Takasi› as an example, think about how much you'd have to tweak old adventures if multiclassed characters don't get the +2 save stacking 26/03/2008 04:46:36 ‹Joseph› I'm hoping to see an option for Barbarians to gain an amount of Fast Healing while in rage. I liked that idea a bit better than the flat DR...especially if the Pathfinder fighter is going to be getting DR. 26/03/2008 04:47:11 ‹Absinth› Ahh, what warm greetings. You guys rock! Brr, it's snowing again... 26/03/2008 04:47:18 ‹Fake Healer› I can download just the 4 pager then to check out the changes.....good. 26/03/2008 04:47:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi: I think that a +2 to one stat is something you could easily ignore for ease of conversion 26/03/2008 04:47:23 ‹Russ› Takasi - not really. It doesn't matter too much if a stat block has somewhat higher saves. But it makes for a better balanced game for anything newly designed. 26/03/2008 04:47:40 ‹Samwise› Jason>i think he intended that as a negative about the new class abilities ;) 26/03/2008 04:47:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joseph: I think you are going to be real happy with the barbarian patches 26/03/2008 04:47:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake: yes you can 26/03/2008 04:48:01 ‹Russ› I'd like barbs to get a bonus to hit , damage and saves and temp hps instead of stat changes. 26/03/2008 04:48:11 ‹Russ› It woldn't be a BAD thing for barbs to no longer keel over dead when rage ends. 26/03/2008 04:48:31 ‹Pygon› makes sense 26/03/2008 04:48:29 ‹Balthaczar› i like that russ 26/03/2008 04:48:34 ‹Joseph› Dangit. Now you're not only publishing things I had no idea I liked, but may be publishing ideas I wanted to do myself but didn't know how? 26/03/2008 04:48:40 ‹Lilith› Presence: Memcache would be cool. 26/03/2008 04:48:59 ‹Joseph› For crying out loud Jason, I have car payments to make! I can't keep giving you people all my money. 26/03/2008 04:49:02 ‹Charles Evans› Since Item Creation feats eat XP, it occured to me that making permanent spells could be a creation feat... 26/03/2008 04:49:03 ‹Absinth› Jason, did you thought about bringing back Concentration? To better include Psionics sometimes f.e.? 26/03/2008 04:49:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Josheph: I am in your hed steelin ur ideaz 26/03/2008 04:49:30 ‹Balthaczar› any new things that will use the d12 my fav dice? 26/03/2008 04:49:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth: not at the moment.. but I am keeping it in mind. I do not think Concentration is coming back. 26/03/2008 04:49:46 ‹Russ› Your d12 cries itself to sleep. 26/03/2008 04:49:56 ‹Balthaczar› ahhhh 26/03/2008 04:49:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Balthaczar: Not yet... it is still cold and lonely. 26/03/2008 04:50:02 ‹Balthaczar› with my d30 26/03/2008 04:50:15 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I will try to put a d12 chart in somewhere in the book though, just for you... :-) 26/03/2008 04:50:27 ‹Takasi› Russ, it will matter to people who DON'T pick up the PFRPG 26/03/2008 04:50:29 ‹Absinth› Any ideas how you'll pull this off then? 26/03/2008 04:50:44 ‹Balthaczar› hotdamn 26/03/2008 04:50:50 ‹Samwise› henceforth all spells that use d6's shall use half that number of d12s! 26/03/2008 04:50:52 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Buhlman: What does the fighter climbing a rckface use to try to hang on when the flying creature peppers him wth arrows then, if concentration is gone? Are more climb checks called for? 26/03/2008 04:50:55 ‹Takasi› you want to be able to sell modules to people who just have the 3.5 core books 26/03/2008 04:51:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth: A lot of work 26/03/2008 04:51:19 ‹Takasi› and if a PF module numbers just don't seem to add up without PFRPG, I know a few DM who will be passing on it 26/03/2008 04:51:21 ‹Absinth› I mean, there have to be a way to make psionics work, they're in the SRD... 26/03/2008 04:51:22 ‹Russ› rolling conc into spellcraft makes good sense to me. 26/03/2008 04:51:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles: Climb indeed. 26/03/2008 04:51:50 ‹Takasi› a lot of players in our group still want to play 3.5, but we have a lot of old modules to play, and I'm sure future publishers will publish more original 3.5 support 26/03/2008 04:52:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth: for now, I would suggest that you keep it for psionic characters... I have not delved into those rules deep enough to give an answer just yet 26/03/2008 04:52:33 ‹Russ› I'm willing to bet you could come up with a 6-page "using PF adventures in 3.5" documents 26/03/2008 04:52:54 ‹Takasi› are you going to put that in every adventure module? 26/03/2008 04:52:56 ‹Absinth› Takasi, now after the release of the Alpha and the announcement, I doubt that. 26/03/2008 04:53:00 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm The thought has occured to me several times that concentraqtion may have only been in 3rd edition because it presented an opportunity, in theory, for a skill which had constitution as a prime requisite. 26/03/2008 04:53:17 ‹Pygon› or a free PDF download. 26/03/2008 04:53:22 ‹Russ› I think a "fixed" 3rd has a better chance at holding a tithe of the 4thE share 26/03/2008 04:53:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles: I kinda think so too.. which is not really needed. Con is important enough 26/03/2008 04:53:39 ‹Takasi› Absinth, publishers will be making classic 3.5 stuff for years, and there are literally thousands of books to support it 26/03/2008 04:53:42 ‹Joseph› This is where I do a random shameless fanboy plug...if you're looking to support psionics sometime in the Pathfinder RPG's future, but don't have the time/resources to do it yourself, I suggest trying some liscencing thing with Dreamscarred Press. They love psionics, and it's good material for those of us who are psionics fans. 26/03/2008 04:53:50 ‹Charles Evans› Fortitude saves & HP you mean?:) 26/03/2008 04:54:02 ‹Erik Mona› Takasi> We are aiming for as close conversion as possible. 26/03/2008 04:54:02 ‹Absinth› I never understood why concentration was linked to constitution... 26/03/2008 04:54:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joseph: this has been mentioned to me a number of times, but a number of different people. I will certainly keep it in mind. 26/03/2008 04:54:21 ‹Fake Healer› Tak-3.5 has experienced a ton of power-creep. If you only use core then you probably don't notice it much. A core monster in my campaigns usually has to be at least 2CR higher than usual and still gets bowled over by the PCs. 26/03/2008 04:54:33 ‹Erik Mona› Joseph> They have contacted me already. We will see what happens. 26/03/2008 04:54:46 ‹Presence› I'm installing eAccelerator now, I will restart web services in a few minutes. 26/03/2008 04:54:49 ‹Charles Evans› Excuse me: I have to reload again. 26/03/2008 04:54:50 ‹Joseph› Sorry to sound like a broken record if you've been hearing it a lot. I'm just a fan. 26/03/2008 04:55:01 ‹Pygon› thanks Presence 26/03/2008 04:54:58 ‹Presence› should help our lag a bit. :) 26/03/2008 04:55:07 ‹Presence› My pleasure! :) 26/03/2008 04:55:09 ‹Erik Mona› What would be the problem with giving psions a class exclusive skill for finesse use of their powers? 26/03/2008 04:55:15 ‹Balthaczar› we have mixed classes from noncore the newer stuff is stronger 26/03/2008 04:55:17 ‹Lilith› Presence: AWESOME! :headbang: 26/03/2008 04:55:21 * Takasi changes his/her nickname to Takasi playing Burning Sky 26/03/2008 04:55:30 ‹Absinth› Wow, the Dreamscarred-option sounds exciting. Thanks for even considering it, guys. 26/03/2008 04:55:38 ‹Mothman› Fake Healer: agreed - I dont see playing a PFRPG adventure using core only to different to playing a "splat books" adventure using core only 26/03/2008 04:55:41 ‹Russ› Oh, on that hp issue: I like the addition of an extra racial hp bump quite a bit. I do think first levels need 1.5X to 2X the hp. 26/03/2008 04:55:54 * Charles Evans quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 04:55:54 ‹Erik Mona› I am not a big psionics guy, I admit. 04:56:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joseph: no problem.... 26/03/2008 04:56:22 ‹Presence› Lilith: in theory, eAccelerator will compile the .php scripts and keep 'em in shared memory, so each 1-second AJAX page refresh php load won't have to "compile" the script each time. 26/03/2008 04:56:30 ‹Fake Healer› Exactly Moth. It is real 26/03/2008 04:56:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Erik: there would be no problem with that at all 26/03/2008 04:56:44 ‹Presence› reduce server load, decrease lag. 26/03/2008 04:56:53 ‹Lilith› Presence: Fabulous. :D 26/03/2008 04:56:57 ‹Fake Healer› ly easy to tone down an adventure by a small amount. 26/03/2008 04:56:59 ‹Mothman› Fake: or vice-versa for that matter 26/03/2008 04:56:59 ‹Balthaczar› i didnt mean bad strong just slightly stronger 26/03/2008 04:57:06 ‹Presence› Its just one part of many that needs adjusting. :) 26/03/2008 04:57:08 ‹Samwise› Jason>i disagree, the problem with it is that it flies in the face of the "magic = psionics" default concept 26/03/2008 04:57:15 * Russ hasn't cared for psionics since it made an unwelcome appearance in L1 and L2 26/03/2008 04:57:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sam: this is true... 26/03/2008 04:57:26 ‹Samwise› the same way "use psionic device" should not exist 26/03/2008 04:57:29 ‹Absinth› A new class-skill for psions etc. would be nice, but this is an even bigger change than keeping a known skill that can be used by other classes as well. I thought it should be as backward compatible as possible.... 26/03/2008 04:57:37 ‹Erik Mona› Is the lag slain>? 26/03/2008 04:57:46 ‹Russ› Isn't there a psionic Spellcraft? 04:57:50 ‹Samwise› or why i find the distinction between spellcraft and psicraft to be rather specious 26/03/2008 04:57:57 ‹Hill Giant› Psicraft 26/03/2008 04:57:57 ‹Russ› Psicraft :P 26/03/2008 04:57:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Truth be told, I am more concerned about the core system right now. So while I do not want to make a system that is incompatible with the way psionics work, I have to take care of its needs first 26/03/2008 04:58:00 * Turin the Mad joins Main 26/03/2008 04:58:12 ‹Fake Healer› anyway it is 1am here on the east coast, and Fakey needs to sleep. 26/03/2008 04:58:16 * Gemma joins Main 26/03/2008 04:58:18 ‹Lilith› Russ: Psicraft 26/03/2008 04:58:27 ‹Samwise› mind you, it was obviously thought reasonable, but it just seems to scream "nonsense" when the same spellcraft lets a wizard know every cleric spell 26/03/2008 04:58:32 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: We're attempting to slay that wily beast 26/03/2008 04:58:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Psicraft would be the place to put it... 26/03/2008 04:58:41 ‹Erik Mona› Absinth> I am mostly just thinking out loud. I am not an expert with the psionics rules. 26/03/2008 04:58:50 ‹Samwise› but someone he is unable to know what a psionic power is even though the two are "transparent" 26/03/2008 04:58:58 ‹Fray› Jason What about classes that have Concentration for their class abilites already? (Kensai, Swordsage) 26/03/2008 04:59:06 ‹Lilith› Fake Healer: :glomp: 26/03/2008 04:59:16 ‹Fake Healer› G'night all! 26/03/2008 04:59:19 ‹Russ› Neither one is Core... 26/03/2008 04:59:28 ‹Balthaczar› night 26/03/2008 04:59:35 ‹Samwise› also, having used psionics in my games, i think people really should just accept that especially with 3.5 psionics . . . 26/03/2008 04:59:36 ‹Russ› I think PF RPG has to just not worry about breaking non-OGL'd material 26/03/2008 04:59:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: they would probably get Spellcraft.. but since neither is core, I have not paid too much attention to that issue 26/03/2008 04:59:49 ‹Samwise› all psionics really is - is a spell point system 26/03/2008 04:59:51 ‹Samwise› plain and simple 26/03/2008 04:59:55 ‹Presence› lilith: pleased to be visiting http://xpc.irev.net/www 26/03/2008 04:59:57 ‹Mothman› see you FH 26/03/2008 05:00:06 ‹Hill Giant› Several martial classes get Concentrate for no particualr reason 26/03/2008 05:00:13 ‹Presence› lilith: and get a dig at the "pages viewed" 26/03/2008 05:00:15 ‹Samwise› the psi-powers are about 75% spells 26/03/2008 05:00:20 ‹Hill Giant› monks are core 26/03/2008 05:00:35 ‹Russ› It annoys me how high a percentage of prestige classes get Spot, Listen and Knowledge (all) 05:00:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hill Giant: bah.. monks don't count :-) 26/03/2008 05:00:49 ‹Joseph› On the psionics skill note: I'm also a fan of the Autohypnosis skill. Terrible name, neat skill. It might be able to substitute as the skill Psionics uses...if you ever get that far. 26/03/2008 05:00:52 ‹Samwise› and 25% spells with innate tiering (so that mage armor and greater mage armor are one psionic power that can be made better by "casting" it as a higher level "spell";) 26/03/2008 05:00:54 ‹Karelzarath› 3m pageviews? Yow! 26/03/2008 05:00:57 ‹Samwise› and thats my psionics rant 26/03/2008 05:00:59 * Gemma quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:01:04 * Fake Healer quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:01:12 ‹Fray› Jason ok, but Spellcraft really doesn't work for those two examples... They are not spell using calsses at all. Maybe change the name of spellcraft to better fit it's role... (just throwing that out there) 26/03/2008 05:01:25 ‹Presence› 3 million .php script loads in the last 7 days. 26/03/2008 05:01:28 ‹Presence› hahaha 26/03/2008 05:01:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright.. my time here draws short tonight... 26/03/2008 05:01:43 ‹Lilith› Presence: :lol: Oh my! :D 26/03/2008 05:01:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: I agree, but its hardly a wide spread issue... 26/03/2008 05:01:51 ‹Hill Giant› Those classes only got Concentrate because it was called Concentrate and not spellcraft 26/03/2008 05:01:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Last questions? 26/03/2008 05:02:07 ‹Karelzarath› Jason Bulmahn: Favorite beer? 26/03/2008 05:02:12 ‹Pygon› thanks much Jason - I'll be waiting to grab the update tomorrow! 26/03/2008 05:02:12 ‹Turin the Mad› long convo-chat tonight 26/03/2008 05:02:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Glad to hear it. 26/03/2008 05:02:23 ‹Saracenus› Night people... 26/03/2008 05:02:24 ‹Hill Giant› Any questions for us? 26/03/2008 05:02:25 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: :thug: Not at this time...:( 26/03/2008 05:02:36 ‹Samwise› Fray>then define "ki" as a "magic" source, and just have "magiccraft" that identifies arcane, divine, psionic, and ki powers :) 26/03/2008 05:02:37 ‹Daigle› Thanks for all your work and time Jason! Have a good night. 26/03/2008 05:02:39 ‹Fray› Jason true dat, but still compatibility with the 3.5 materials... 26/03/2008 05:02:42 ‹Saracenus› Lilith, I hope you and presence get the lag issue taken care of 26/03/2008 05:02:43 ‹Balthaczar› night jason.sar 26/03/2008 05:02:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Very Well Lilith... very well 26/03/2008 05:02:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› No problem Daigle 26/03/2008 05:03:01 ‹Russ› Night Bryan! Sorry I haven't picked up messages yet :) 26/03/2008 05:03:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fray: I hear ya.. I will keep that one in mind.. stupid skills.. giving me a fit.. must fix.. must fix... urrgggg 26/03/2008 05:03:12 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Any report on German Translations f Pathfinder? 05:03:16 ‹Saracenus› Night Russ, no prob 26/03/2008 05:03:22 ‹Russ› Nope, I'll have more feedback once Gamestorm is past 26/03/2008 05:03:24 ‹Fray› Samwise :yucky: :pissed::fishslap:. 26/03/2008 05:03:24 ‹Absinth› Thanks for the insights, Jason. Is the task of writing the new rules more exciting or demanding? Do you have any spare time left? 26/03/2008 05:03:29 ‹Presence› Getting the lag out is my top priority! Next meeting should see this all cleared up! 26/03/2008 05:03:31 ‹Turin the Mad› what kind of tree would you be if you could be a tree ? 26/03/2008 05:03:35 ‹Lilith› Saracenus: Workin' on it! :D 26/03/2008 05:03:40 ‹Joseph› Were you surprised with the reactions the fans gave to the skills "problem"? 26/03/2008 05:03:47 ‹Mothman› See you Jason 26/03/2008 05:03:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth: Very exciting.. very very time consuming.. time left over.. well I do get to sleep on occassion 26/03/2008 05:03:57 * Samwise quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:04:00 ‹Fray› Jason you're still doing gawd's WORK :D 26/03/2008 05:04:04 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: I sorry...I promise I'll try and come up with something more interesting... 26/03/2008 05:04:10 ‹Absinth› Thank god for freedom and coffee... 26/03/2008 05:04:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joseph: Not too terribly surprised... 26/03/2008 05:04:21 ‹Turin the Mad› :zombieglomp: 26/03/2008 05:04:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith: You better.. :-P 26/03/2008 05:04:38 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Or is there any firther news f Christine Sche nider due to be forthcoming? 26/03/2008 05:04:42 * Russ wants to not need to assign skills for NPCs anymore 26/03/2008 05:04:56 ‹Karelzarath› Russ: Fake it. 26/03/2008 05:05:00 * Saracenus quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:05:09 ‹Fray› Yep, Russ... do what Karel said. 26/03/2008 05:05:10 * Mothman quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:05:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Neither do I.. but it might be a necessary evil.. but I can guarantee an easier optional version for GMs to use 26/03/2008 05:05:32 ‹Absinth› Yes, Erik, will there be an interview with her like you said in another chat? 26/03/2008 05:05:42 ‹Fray› Hill giant I agree with your COncentration comment... I think it was done that way to not introduce another skill. 26/03/2008 05:05:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright.. night everybody.. see you next week 05:05:53 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: I'll save up my questions and dump them on you at PaizoCon or something. 26/03/2008 05:05:55 ‹Charles Evans› Fray/Karelzarath: If 'fake it' why bother to buy any products as a DM anyway, except maybe for modules? 26/03/2008 05:05:57 ‹Fray› Night JB 26/03/2008 05:05:57 ‹Hill Giant› night 26/03/2008 05:06:06 ‹Pygon› bye Jason! 26/03/2008 05:06:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith: Groovy 26/03/2008 05:06:07 ‹Daigle› Good night! 26/03/2008 05:06:09 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jason. 26/03/2008 05:06:09 ‹Absinth› Night, Jason, keep up the fantastic work! 26/03/2008 05:06:20 ‹Turin the Mad› nn 26/03/2008 05:06:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night.. thanks Absinth.. I'll try 26/03/2008 05:06:41 ‹Fray› CE Some NPC's are not worth the effort of that much detail... fake it and move on to the more important stuff I say. 26/03/2008 05:06:45 ‹Russ› Fake it might fly for a home game. Not for publication. 26/03/2008 05:07:04 ‹Fray› Russ true Dat 26/03/2008 05:07:05 ‹Russ› And 3.5E is too much of a fiddly mess on stat blocks when you're doing publishable work. 26/03/2008 05:07:16 ‹Fray› Hey no more lag since Jason left! 26/03/2008 05:07:32 * Jason Bulmahn quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:07:45 ‹Samwise› Fray>it might be yucky, but it cuts to the root of the issue, if it needs a prettier name, thats for someone else to come up with ;) 26/03/2008 05:07:50 ‹Hill Giant› Skills are a great way to give an NPC personality, but they're a pain in the ass to assign 26/03/2008 05:07:51 ‹Absinth› A quick question to the room: I guess Kenku are propably not OGL, but does any of you know if they're from mythology? I think I remember something like this... 26/03/2008 05:08:06 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> No German news. I will be interviewing Christine soon, but other things have gotten in the way lately. 26/03/2008 05:08:19 ‹Lilith› Absinth: Kenku/Tengu are from Japanese mythology 26/03/2008 05:08:21 ‹Samwise› kenku are japanese mythology 26/03/2008 05:08:21 ‹Hill Giant› It's been suggested that Kenku is a varient of Tengu 26/03/2008 05:08:28 ‹Samwise› damned lag . . . 26/03/2008 05:08:30 ‹Fray› HG yeah, I get stumped trying to make NPC's not like that other NPC all the time... 26/03/2008 05:08:47 ‹Erik Mona› Speaking of Paizocon, is there a website for it? 26/03/2008 05:09:01 ‹Fray› just the Meetup site 26/03/2008 05:09:03 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: yes! http://www.paizocon.com/ 26/03/2008 05:09:05 ‹Erik Mona› Kenku are from asian mythology. 26/03/2008 05:09:09 ‹Fray› (AFAIK) 26/03/2008 05:09:15 ‹Lilith› which is the meetup site... 26/03/2008 05:09:19 ‹Absinth› Cool, so it wouldn't violate any copyright issues if I come up with my own Kenku-variant for PFRPG? 26/03/2008 05:09:24 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: This one was really for James Jacobs, but you might be interested also, the Werecabbage, Dryder mentioned to me that a German company has been producin readings (in Garman) of HP Lovecraft.... 26/03/2008 05:09:31 ‹Daigle› Assigning skill points isn't the biggest error in NPC statblocks. Most of the time it is synergy bonuses and other random modifiers that get left out. 26/03/2008 05:09:37 ‹Russ› I had that impression on kenku too, though I am having trouble sourcing it 26/03/2008 05:09:45 ‹Erik Mona› Monte had a cool bird-man race in his campaign. I think they were called the Harrod. 26/03/2008 05:09:48 ‹Charles Evans› (G(e)rman, even) 26/03/2008 05:09:49 ‹Russ› I'll be at Paizocon. And if anyone wants me to run a game, I'm up for it. 26/03/2008 05:10:10 * Lilith is making a prize for PaizoCon. :) 26/03/2008 05:10:29 * Fray can'tmake paizocon and is sad 26/03/2008 05:10:36 * Daigle can't either 26/03/2008 05:10:38 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Would Paizo be interested in contacing Dryder for further details of that... Maybe for marketing the tiems to German spekaers, or looking at English translations? 26/03/2008 05:10:48 ‹Fray› Can we have a PaizoCon South? :D 26/03/2008 05:10:50 ‹Samwise› Daigle>we have nice hidden text to help with that for LG review 26/03/2008 05:10:51 ‹Russ› Ah, kenku and tengu 26/03/2008 05:10:58 ‹Russ› Er are tengu 26/03/2008 05:11:00 ‹Samwise› of course, then the authors do not use it properly . . . 26/03/2008 05:11:22 ‹Hill Giant› Can we have a PaizoCon WAY South? 26/03/2008 05:11:25 ‹Daigle› Fray, I vote for Austin Texas ;) 26/03/2008 05:11:31 ‹Absinth› I don't understand how the german HPL recordings are in any way connected to a possible german translation of the PFRPG? 26/03/2008 05:11:38 ‹Erik Mona› Nice. 26/03/2008 05:11:38 * Samwise spent 15 hours correcting stat blocks recently 26/03/2008 05:11:47 ‹Erik Mona› I will be back from Gama Trade Show. 26/03/2008 05:11:50 ‹Samwise› i could have written originals faster 26/03/2008 05:11:52 ‹Lilith› Samwise: Yuck...:( 26/03/2008 05:11:53 ‹Turin the Mad› similar interests of readership I suspect Absinth 26/03/2008 05:11:53 ‹Charles Evans› I was assured by Dryder that the readings are by the actor who provides a screen voice for Johnny Depp for the German market. 26/03/2008 05:12:03 ‹Fray› thanks to the paizo crew for hanging with us tonight. 26/03/2008 05:12:08 ‹Fray› When is GAMA? 26/03/2008 05:12:11 * Crimson Jester joins Main 26/03/2008 05:12:12 ‹Erik Mona› But it is also my girlfriend's birthday weekend, so I will probably only be a partial attendee. 26/03/2008 05:12:16 ‹Samwise› Lilith>to be clear, that was for ONE adventure 26/03/2008 05:12:17 ‹Charles Evans› Absinth: Dryder asked me to mention this at the next PF chat. 26/03/2008 05:12:22 ‹Daigle› April 19th-ish 26/03/2008 05:12:23 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: Yes, that's why we scheduled PaizoCon for that day. We were trying for the same time frame as when Pathfinder was announced. :) 26/03/2008 05:12:34 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: Ook! Don't wanna miss that one. 26/03/2008 05:12:35 ‹Daigle› Howdy Crimson Jester! 26/03/2008 05:12:37 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> Maybe as something to sell in the web store, I guess. 26/03/2008 05:12:38 ‹Absinth› Yes, I was in the room as he requested that... 26/03/2008 05:12:43 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Daigle 26/03/2008 05:12:44 ‹Lilith› Samwise: Blargh! 26/03/2008 05:12:48 ‹Charles Evans› Absinth: The query over German translations of PF, jogged my memory. 26/03/2008 05:12:51 ‹Russ› Samwise> and yet people deny stat blocks are fiddly :) 26/03/2008 05:13:15 ‹Erik Mona› Gama is the previous week. 26/03/2008 05:13:26 ‹Samwise› Russ>the problem was, if there was something to do wrong, they did it 26/03/2008 05:13:29 ‹Absinth› Hi Crimson Jester, haven't seen you in here for quite some time. How are you? 26/03/2008 05:13:30 ‹Charles Evans› Crimson Jester: How's Married life treating you? 05:13:36 * Lilith quit 26/03/2008 05:13:39 * Lilith joins Main 26/03/2008 05:13:47 ‹Samwise› in terms of formatting 26/03/2008 05:13:56 * Lilith quit 26/03/2008 05:14:00 ‹Samwise› the calculations were all correct, but nothing was where it was supposed to be 26/03/2008 05:14:12 * Lilith joins Main 26/03/2008 05:14:20 ‹Turin the Mad› nn all 26/03/2008 05:14:23 ‹Crimson Jester› Married life is great and other then a horrible sinus infection I am getting by quite well thank you both for asking 26/03/2008 05:14:31 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Well i can now report to Dryder that I have mentioned it to you, and if you need further details, Lilith has contact info, since she is a fellow werecabbage.... 26/03/2008 05:14:35 ‹Samwise› i use that template for my home game, i put together stat blocks with no real problem, its correcting bad ones that is the killer 26/03/2008 05:14:41 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Turin! 26/03/2008 05:14:43 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Turin. 26/03/2008 05:14:44 ‹Lilith› Night Turin the Mad! 26/03/2008 05:14:48 * Mothman quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:14:51 ‹Absinth› Nite, Turin 26/03/2008 05:15:28 ‹Charles Evans› Crimson Jester: How was the honeymoon, or is that still to come? 26/03/2008 05:15:35 * Turin the Mad quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:15:43 ‹Fray› Gama April 20-24... 26/03/2008 05:15:49 ‹Crimson Jester› still to come Playa del Carmen in May 26/03/2008 05:15:55 ‹Absinth› Eric Mona: Any decisions regarding a possible MM for the PFRPG yet? I think something like this has to be done in one way or another... 26/03/2008 05:16:32 ‹Charles Evans› Crimson Jester: My US geography isn't too good... Is that Florida? 26/03/2008 05:16:55 ‹Crimson Jester› Mexico, I won a trip at work all expense paid :) 26/03/2008 05:17:01 ‹Pygon› nice 26/03/2008 05:17:05 ‹Absinth› Crimson Jester, you married? Now I understand why I haven't met you in here...:D Congratulations and best wishes! 26/03/2008 05:17:06 ‹Charles Evans› :!: 26/03/2008 05:17:25 ‹Charles Evans› Mexico! 26/03/2008 05:17:32 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester: WIN! :dance2: 26/03/2008 05:17:33 * Mothman quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:17:34 ‹Crimson Jester› Thank you, yes and my schedule at work changed to 26/03/2008 05:17:53 ‹Charles Evans› I hope you both enjoy that very much then. 26/03/2008 05:18:14 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah it was touch and go for awhile because I couldnt find my birth certificate for the passport but all of that is taken care of now 26/03/2008 05:18:24 ‹Fray› CJ COngrats! 26/03/2008 05:18:39 * Blazej is Dead to the World changes his/her nickname to Blazej 26/03/2008 05:18:41 ‹Erik Mona› Absinth> I agree that it is the next logical "big book" to do. 26/03/2008 05:18:42 ‹Fray› y'all have a good night... i'm out 26/03/2008 05:18:54 ‹Blazej is Dead to the World› Night Fray. 26/03/2008 05:19:00 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Fray 26/03/2008 05:19:03 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah I never win anything and the pic of me with the giant plane ticket , well lets just say I look dumbfounded to say the least 26/03/2008 05:19:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Fray 26/03/2008 05:19:13 ‹Charles Evans› :lol: 26/03/2008 05:19:17 ‹Russ› :) 26/03/2008 05:19:28 ‹Russ› congrats! 26/03/2008 05:19:35 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: Right after "Gods & Magic." :P 26/03/2008 05:19:40 ‹Absinth› Erik Mona, please include illustrations by the guy that did the monsters for PF #6. He's awesome! So awesome that I can't even remember his name! 26/03/2008 05:19:47 * Fray quit (timeout) 26/03/2008 05:19:48 ‹Crimson Jester› Lotsa Cabages tonight I see 26/03/2008 05:20:03 * Crimson Jester looks around for a food processor 26/03/2008 05:20:13 * Daigle hides. 26/03/2008 05:20:18 ‹Lilith› Ack! 26/03/2008 05:20:20 * Lilith hides. 26/03/2008 05:20:26 * Joseph gets the brats 26/03/2008 05:20:29 ‹Erik Mona› Gods & Magic is not really a "big" book. 26/03/2008 05:20:31 * Lilith casts net of shadows. 26/03/2008 05:20:35 ‹Daigle› No one here but us lettuces. 26/03/2008 05:20:45 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: "Big" in the sense of its importance to the setting. :) 26/03/2008 05:20:47 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Are you keeping up with the debate on WotC regarding Paizo's decision? 26/03/2008 05:20:49 ‹Erik Mona› Was that Kev Crossley? 26/03/2008 05:21:01 * Blazej is Dead to the World changes his/her nickname to Blazej not Dead to World 26/03/2008 05:21:13 ‹Blazej is Dead to the World› Darn it. 26/03/2008 05:21:26 ‹Absinth› Cool, CJ, sounds great...Normally I never win anything too, so that gives me hope... 26/03/2008 05:21:27 ‹Crimson Jester› ?? 26/03/2008 05:21:36 ‹Joseph› You'll always be dead to me. 05:21:48 ‹Blazej is Dead to the World› :zombie: 26/03/2008 05:22:00 ‹Crimson Jester› I keep saying if I win the lottery my luck is I will wash the ticket in my laundry 26/03/2008 05:22:04 * Mothman joins Main 26/03/2008 05:22:07 ‹Russ› Assuming Erik is still paying attention, where there any other name changes besides Balakard and Manzorian? 26/03/2008 05:22:13 ‹Absinth› Daigle, was that a quote from Garfield? :D 26/03/2008 05:22:43 ‹Daigle› Absolutely not 26/03/2008 05:22:50 ‹Daigle› :) 26/03/2008 05:22:59 ‹Absinth› :D 26/03/2008 05:23:00 ‹Russ› (in Age of Worms, that is) 26/03/2008 05:23:21 ‹Absinth› Who was Balakard supposed to be? 26/03/2008 05:23:35 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> I have been avidly following that thread. 26/03/2008 05:23:37 ‹Russ› Bucknard of the Everfull Purse 26/03/2008 05:23:39 ‹Mothman› Whats up Blazej - why are you dead? 26/03/2008 05:23:46 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> No. 26/03/2008 05:23:57 ‹Erik Mona› Well, "The Free City" = Greyhawk. 26/03/2008 05:24:02 ‹Russ› Missed that the red dragon was our friend from G3 :) 26/03/2008 05:24:09 ‹Erik Mona› Balakarde was Bucknard. 26/03/2008 05:24:34 ‹Erik Mona› Manzorian is ripped off from Mazirian the Magician, the first story in Jack Vance's "The Dying Earth". 26/03/2008 05:24:48 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: I followed to about page 10, where Titanium Dragon seemed to be taking on all comers, and then some weird legal jargon arguements started... It reminded me a little bit of Sebastian in full cry some of the time on the aizo boards....:) 26/03/2008 05:25:06 ‹Absinth› Cool, I always wondered if these were connected in terms of inspiration...:) 26/03/2008 05:25:14 ‹Charles Evans› (P)aizo 26/03/2008 05:25:22 ‹Erik Mona› I believe Greg Vaughan is responsible for Brazmaal (or whatever his name is). 26/03/2008 05:25:32 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: Yes. 26/03/2008 05:25:35 ‹Lilith› Brazzemal 26/03/2008 05:25:42 ‹Russ› The Burning. 05:26:06 ‹Russ› who will be using righteous might :) 26/03/2008 05:26:09 ‹Pygon› my turn to bow out. good night all, thanks Erik! 26/03/2008 05:26:09 ‹Balthaczar› how do i change my name, is it /nick then what i want 26/03/2008 05:26:15 ‹Lilith› Balthaczar: Yes 26/03/2008 05:26:26 * Balthaczar changes his/her nickname to paul 26/03/2008 05:26:30 ‹Balthaczar› huh 26/03/2008 05:26:34 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Pygon