20:18:50 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main 01/04/2008 20:18:50 ‹DMcCoy1693› LOL 01/04/2008 20:19:00 ‹DMcCoy1693› or rather :lol: 01/04/2008 20:19:01 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Jason! 01/04/2008 20:19:06 ‹DMcCoy1693› Bullman 01/04/2008 20:19:10 ‹DMcCoy1693› how's it goin my man? 01/04/2008 20:19:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hi Everybody 01/04/2008 20:19:26 ‹Daigle› Howdy jason 01/04/2008 20:19:27 ‹Mulban› Hi Jason 01/04/2008 20:19:28 ‹Fake Healer› Hey Jay. 01/04/2008 20:19:31 ‹Pygon› hi Jason! how's the PF RPG coming along? 01/04/2008 20:19:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› How's everybody doing tonight 01/04/2008 20:19:37 * Takasi 2 joins Main 20:19:43 ‹Russ› Jason - con crud 01/04/2008 20:19:45 ‹Lori› It's Jason "3P mahn" 01/04/2008 20:19:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› 8-) 01/04/2008 20:19:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> Good.. I wish it would move faster... 01/04/2008 20:19:49 ‹DMcCoy1693› Good and y ou? 01/04/2008 20:19:52 ‹Takasi 2› greetings 01/04/2008 20:19:58 ‹tensor› Hi Jason Bulmahn. :) 01/04/2008 20:19:59 ‹Russ› I TPK'd a table of 6 in the 4th ed preview on Saturday 01/04/2008 20:20:00 * Takasi quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:20:00 ‹Mulban› I think I'm going to be alright 01/04/2008 20:20:08 * Takasi 2 changes his/her nickname to Takasi 01/04/2008 20:20:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Congrats.. I hear that is a rarity... unless it involves a certain dragon 01/04/2008 20:20:31 ‹Blazej› Hello JB 01/04/2008 20:20:38 ‹Russ› It was Escape from Sembia. 01/04/2008 20:20:39 ‹tensor› Jason, was there a Paizo April Fools joke today? 01/04/2008 20:20:41 ‹Fake Healer› I am experiencing much personal growth, thanks for asking. 01/04/2008 20:20:42 * TurboATX joins Main 01/04/2008 20:20:44 ‹Russ› (not the dragon one) 01/04/2008 20:20:46 ‹Moth working› Hey JAson 01/04/2008 20:20:46 ‹Mr Baron› Jason, when is Pathfinder #8 shipping? 01/04/2008 20:21:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mr Baron> I am not sure, you would need to ask James.. my head is firmly buried in the PFRPG 01/04/2008 20:21:13 ‹Russ› The shadar-kai chain fighter, 3 berserkers, and wizard 01/04/2008 20:21:17 ‹Daigle› Howdy TurboATX 01/04/2008 20:21:19 ‹Russ› I really do not enjoy running 4th edition. 01/04/2008 20:21:20 ‹Mulban› I'm still reading #4 01/04/2008 20:21:28 ‹TurboATX› hello 01/04/2008 20:21:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Tensor> Other than my Bard thread? 01/04/2008 20:21:42 * Karelzarath joins Main 01/04/2008 20:21:46 ‹Blazej› That was a joke? 01/04/2008 20:21:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I am sorry to hear that.. although I have heard it a number of times before... 01/04/2008 20:21:53 ‹Fake Healer› Wait, Russ. You are running 4E 01/04/2008 20:21:58 ‹Daigle› TurboATX, plays in my Runelords capmaign! 01/04/2008 20:21:58 ‹Mulban› I just installed GTA:SA on my main computer 01/04/2008 20:22:02 ‹tensor› Jason: :) um... 01/04/2008 20:22:03 ‹Blazej› Sigh. Bards will have to remain broken then. 01/04/2008 20:22:09 * tensor doesn't know what to say 01/04/2008 20:22:09 ‹Karelzarath› Heya, Jason. 20:22:12 ‹Russ› Fake - I ran it at the con, yes 01/04/2008 20:22:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sorry Blazej... I may even give them a bit of a boost.. but nobody tell Jacobs that I said that 01/04/2008 20:22:51 ‹Fake Healer› Are you NDA? 01/04/2008 20:23:12 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, Noooo. :) 01/04/2008 20:23:20 ‹DMcCoy1693› Jason - We're not suppose to tell Jacobs what? 01/04/2008 20:23:20 ‹tensor› oh wait.... "I never did mind the little things." 01/04/2008 20:23:22 ‹Mulban› Oh yeah, it works with my new gamepad! 01/04/2008 20:23:43 ‹Blazej› Yes, don't tell Jacobs "What". 01/04/2008 20:23:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› DMcCoy> Very good. you catch on quick 01/04/2008 20:24:01 ‹Blazej› It will drive him into a frenzy. 01/04/2008 20:24:13 ‹Ison› :dance2: 01/04/2008 20:24:23 ‹Blazej› Also avoid "Who", "What 01/04/2008 20:24:27 ‹Fake Healer› I wanna see Bard as the most broken class. 01/04/2008 20:24:41 ‹Blazej› , and "And". 01/04/2008 20:24:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Good Luck Fake.. I do not like bards that much :-) 01/04/2008 20:24:55 ‹Hill Giant› Fake Healer: Play 1st edition 01/04/2008 20:24:58 ‹Russ› Paizo was a heavy topic of conversation. 01/04/2008 20:25:02 ‹Fake Healer› Char Op boards featuring much Bardage. 01/04/2008 20:25:08 ‹Daigle› Jason...be nice to bards 01/04/2008 20:25:10 ‹Lori› Jason - have you been overwhelmed by the response posts to PRPG? Or about what you expected? 01/04/2008 20:25:14 ‹Russ› Consensus is that 3rd isn't that badly broken if you don't use the splatbooks. 01/04/2008 20:25:21 ‹Fake Healer› Joking. 01/04/2008 20:25:28 ‹Wyvern› Exactly Russ. 01/04/2008 20:25:34 * Ison quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:25:36 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:25:36 ‹TurboATX› what, book of nine swords is the best ever 01/04/2008 20:25:46 ‹Daigle› :P 01/04/2008 20:25:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lori> To some extent... it has been a bit much... but I manage.. 01/04/2008 20:25:50 ‹Blazej› Stuff like this is why Blizzard games take so long to come out. -> http://www.starcraft2.com/feat...ine.xml 01/04/2008 20:26:00 ‹Fake Healer› That is my consensus also Russ. 01/04/2008 20:26:10 ‹Pygon› I'd agree with that. 01/04/2008 20:26:12 ‹Daigle› There's really little wrong with 3.5 three years ago. 01/04/2008 20:26:24 ‹Pygon› Except for that 13th+ die if you breathe wrong thing... 01/04/2008 20:26:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> This is true.. and to be honest, I am only marginally designing with them in mind.. I want them to still work, but as always, they should be a GMs choice... not a mandatory add 01/04/2008 20:26:28 ‹Moth working› Jason, I see there was some actual Playtest feedback on PFRPG this week - generally seemed positive that I saw - what did you think? 01/04/2008 20:26:50 ‹Lori› My group has talked about going back to just the core books. I think it would be interesting. Anyone else? 01/04/2008 20:27:01 ‹Fake Healer› Yup 01/04/2008 20:27:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Moth> Yes, I am excited to see actual playtest results.. much of it is very encouraging... 01/04/2008 20:27:19 ‹Fake Healer› The core PRPG book. 01/04/2008 20:27:22 ‹TurboATX› lori>we tried, it didn't take 01/04/2008 20:27:28 ‹Daigle› Moth, TurboATX and I (and the two other guys) ran four encounters week before last. 01/04/2008 20:27:39 ‹Moth working› Lori, Im generally fairly splat-book lite in my games - I dont encourage their use, but if a player really wants to use one ... I might allow it 01/04/2008 20:27:42 ‹Lori› TurboATX, what were the issues? 01/04/2008 20:27:47 ‹Daigle› Yeah Lori, I tried that ;) 01/04/2008 20:28:03 ‹TurboATX› one particular player just loves that splat 01/04/2008 20:28:06 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, How should we organize our playtest comments? Create a new thread or post our experiences over the relevent threads. 01/04/2008 20:28:06 ‹Moth working› How was it Daigle, Turbo? 01/04/2008 20:28:15 ‹Wyvern› Lori that's how I've always played. 20:28:45 ‹Daigle› There were things we liked as a whole, things we didn't adn things we didn't agree with each other on. Pretty typical I'd think this early in the game. 01/04/2008 20:28:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> If you have one big summary, it should probably get its own thread in general, if the comments are broken down, they should get put in the appropriate forums 01/04/2008 20:29:06 ‹TurboATX› moth> new turning rules were an overwhelming success 01/04/2008 20:29:07 ‹Lori› Wyvern - you must have an accommodating group. No splat book power gamers? 01/04/2008 20:29:13 ‹Daigle› TurboATX,....Hodge? 01/04/2008 20:29:15 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, good. 01/04/2008 20:29:22 ‹Fake Healer› When is the second update to Alpha coming. 01/04/2008 20:29:27 ‹TurboATX› yep 01/04/2008 20:29:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> I have heard that a number of times now. 01/04/2008 20:29:33 ‹Daigle› :) 01/04/2008 20:29:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake> I am hoping to post a skills system update soon. 01/04/2008 20:29:50 * Duicarthan joins Main 01/04/2008 20:29:51 ‹Daigle› Yeah, Jason....that rocked 01/04/2008 20:30:01 ‹Daigle› Howdy Duicarthan 01/04/2008 20:30:05 ‹Fake Healer› Soon, like tomorrowish? 01/04/2008 20:30:05 ‹Duicarthan› hey there 01/04/2008 20:30:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Duicarthan 01/04/2008 20:30:21 ‹Sar_AFK› Heya D 01/04/2008 20:30:29 ‹Daigle› Hey Sar 01/04/2008 20:30:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake> It might take me a few more days... depending on scheduling.. 01/04/2008 20:30:33 * Sar_AFK changes his/her nickname to Saracenus 01/04/2008 20:30:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› That and I am still trying to nail the damn thing down... 01/04/2008 20:30:55 * Ison quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:30:57 * DMcCoy1693 changes his/her nickname to DMcCoy AFC 01/04/2008 20:30:59 * Daigle is very curious to see the skills system update 01/04/2008 20:31:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I think we will be going back to a rank system.. if for no other reason that easier combatibility 01/04/2008 20:31:09 * Daigle has always played skill monkeys 01/04/2008 20:31:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› than not that 01/04/2008 20:31:21 ‹TurboATX› glad to hear ranks are probable 01/04/2008 20:31:22 ‹Daigle› awesome! 01/04/2008 20:31:38 ‹Fake Healer› Rank Roo. 01/04/2008 20:31:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Of course, I am still looking to monkey with them a bit to make them easier to use 01/04/2008 20:32:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I think the slot system will remain as an Option rule for some groups to use... 01/04/2008 20:32:21 ‹Hill Giant› Are you putting synergy back in or not? 01/04/2008 20:32:23 ‹Daigle› How popular was your plan to have ranks for PCs and the other for NPCs and monsters? 01/04/2008 20:32:27 ‹TurboATX› hopefully, you get some more play test results and not just random thoughts 01/04/2008 20:32:28 * Moth working changes his/her nickname to Mothman 01/04/2008 20:32:42 ‹Fake Healer› I like it for streamlining. 01/04/2008 20:32:47 * DMcCoy AFC quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:32:54 ‹Hill Giant› (I'd rather do without synergy - too damn fidly) 01/04/2008 20:32:59 ‹Fake Healer› but I like ranks for flexibility 01/04/2008 20:32:59 ‹Mothman› must say I prefer skill ranks 01/04/2008 20:33:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hill Giant> No.. synergies are dead... not coming back 01/04/2008 20:33:14 ‹Mulban› Really? 01/04/2008 20:33:22 ‹Wyvern› I'm ok with no ranks. 01/04/2008 20:33:31 ‹Pygon› no more +26 Diplomacy for a 4th level bard with the right stats and equipment? *cries* :P 01/04/2008 20:33:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> That might work... but I would prefer to have the same system for both.. 01/04/2008 20:33:40 ‹Fake Healer› I always forgot synergies anyway. 01/04/2008 20:33:47 ‹Mulban› I need to actually read that book and not just gawk at Seoni 01/04/2008 20:33:48 ‹Blazej› I like it for the streamlining too. Also I like how it lets you learn a skill easily when your a decent level without spend the next few levels dumping points into it. 01/04/2008 20:33:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Makes it easier to work monster and class levels together 01/04/2008 20:33:57 ‹Saracenus› Jason> Have you considered the skill system from 1.1 for NPCs and Monsters to make it dirt simple for DMs to create advanced monsters on the fly and let the ranks be for PCs? 01/04/2008 20:34:03 ‹Mothman› I think the general perception is that people like skill ranks for building PCs but not for NPCs - so it depends which angle you're coming from 01/04/2008 20:34:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> Nope.. dead and gone.. no more synergies 01/04/2008 20:34:04 ‹Daigle› I agree, I was hoping there wouldn't be a rift between the two in design. 20:34:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Saracenus> I am certainly going to be keeping it for a "on the fly" generation method 01/04/2008 20:34:37 ‹Takasi› Jason, I have a question about your OGL license, is it OK for someone to post all of the Pathfinder rules online, like d20srd.org? 01/04/2008 20:34:40 ‹TurboATX› dm's usually just max out ranks anyway for npc to build them more quickly 01/04/2008 20:35:02 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:35:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> It is... but I would prefer that you wait until things solidify a bit.. I would prefer that you not do all that work only to have to constantly update it 01/04/2008 20:35:20 ‹Daigle› I never actually had a problem building high level multiclass npcs when it came to skills. Most of the errors I had were from issing synergies or weird bonuses 01/04/2008 20:35:22 ‹Ison› :D 01/04/2008 20:35:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> Exactly.. I am just going to streamline that process... 01/04/2008 20:35:43 ‹Saracenus› TurboATX> Yeah but you still have to reverse engineer the begining ranks the first time, if you are using the new system instead its all very simple... 01/04/2008 20:35:52 * DMcCoy AFC quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:35:54 ‹Pygon› if ranks are coming back, a small summary of typical skills that aren't always maxed might be helpful for DM's 01/04/2008 20:35:54 ‹TurboATX› tru dat 01/04/2008 20:36:07 ‹Mothman› I've heard great feedback on the new turn undead rules - that would probably be something i'd consider incorporating into my 3.5 game even if I dont go PFRPG 01/04/2008 20:36:07 ‹Takasi› hyperlinked rules are so nice 01/04/2008 20:36:21 ‹Fake Healer› Streamlined and standardized monster-gen= good. 01/04/2008 20:36:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› The other complication is the non-retroactive int boosts. 01/04/2008 20:36:39 * Balthaczar quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:36:54 ‹Daigle› TrueCraig 01/04/2008 20:37:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> Glad to hear it... I think everyone will be really happy when they see all the rules together, right now, some of the arguements being bandied about will not make much sense when all of the components are in place 01/04/2008 20:37:26 ‹Fake Healer› Anyone know if Logue is coming on? 01/04/2008 20:37:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> I think we are going to do away with that too.. 01/04/2008 20:37:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Get rid of synergies and make permanent Int boosts give retroactive skill points and half the complication is gone right there. 01/04/2008 20:37:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Awesome! 01/04/2008 20:37:48 ‹Daigle› Fake, I shot an email out to him. ::shrugs:: 01/04/2008 20:38:12 ‹Fake Healer› He so deserves a gush. 01/04/2008 20:38:16 ‹Takasi› I don't understand that comment, Jason, why would they be happier when the rules are together? 01/04/2008 20:38:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> You are correct sir.. but there is one thing you forgot.. retroactive class skills... which is something I am seriously considering... 01/04/2008 20:38:30 ‹Takasi› is there something people can't see at the moment? 01/04/2008 20:38:41 ‹Blazej› I was kind of sad to see trip get a power down. Not getting the bonus attack made it hard for me to want to try to use trip. 01/04/2008 20:38:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Jason: That's true too. 01/04/2008 20:39:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> Some are very concerned about some of the core problems with the 3.5 set, the Christmas Tree effect, spells like Wish, etc... 01/04/2008 20:39:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Multi-classing is generally weak enough that if you give retoactive class skills, it wouldn't be overpowering. 01/04/2008 20:39:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> And they are using these arguments against existing components, but I hope to fix some of these repeat offenders, to balance out the other pieces 01/04/2008 20:39:35 ‹TurboATX› Blaze>per playtest: all of the combat options were difficult with the base DC of 15 01/04/2008 20:39:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> Actually, I think I am going to be adding that back in... 01/04/2008 20:39:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Actually, what I do at home is I ignore the double cost for cross class, I just have the lower maximum rank. 01/04/2008 20:40:09 ‹Blazej› Yah! 01/04/2008 20:40:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> you are correct, they might be a bit too hard, I am looking into some options... 01/04/2008 20:40:19 * Ison quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:40:35 ‹Takasi› just remember, if it ain't broke... 01/04/2008 20:40:46 ‹Daigle› The different base DC for attacker and defender was a bit weird 01/04/2008 20:40:51 * The Last Rogue joins Main 01/04/2008 20:40:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> But it is important to note that I am thinking about going after grapple a bit harder, making it a very simple system to use by greatly reducing its effects 01/04/2008 20:41:00 ‹Daigle› Rogue! 01/04/2008 20:41:05 * Presence joins Main 01/04/2008 20:41:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› It may be too far though.. I am still thinkin 01/04/2008 20:41:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi TLR! 01/04/2008 20:41:18 ‹Fake Healer› Jason, how are Pathfinder sales post the PRPG announcement? Has there been a backlash or increase? 01/04/2008 20:41:24 ‹Daigle› Howdy Presence! 01/04/2008 20:41:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fake> Very good.. higher than before 01/04/2008 20:41:39 ‹Presence› Hello! :) 01/04/2008 20:41:50 ‹Daigle› Presence, things have been pretty much lag free tonight. 01/04/2008 20:41:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› :dance2: 01/04/2008 20:41:57 ‹TurboATX› jason> it is the only combat option that is SO damn complicated players either avoid it or abuse it 01/04/2008 20:42:32 ‹Presence› Excellent! I noted that the server is under the highest load of the week right now, a whole "1.2". Compared to last week when we were at "14" and two weeks ago when the server was under a "64" load. 01/04/2008 20:42:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> you are correct, I am thinking about turning it into a status... make the check and your foe gains the status until he breaks free or you let go 01/04/2008 20:42:43 ‹Presence› "1.0" being the CPU at 100% usage. 01/04/2008 20:42:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think the grapple rules in 3.5 are poorly worded more than they are broken or too complex. 01/04/2008 20:42:59 ‹Fake Healer› Do you think that 3rd partys like Ronin, Goodman and Necro will help bolster PRPG and do you guys even want that assistance if it was offered. 01/04/2008 20:43:05 ‹Presence› Happy that the chat seems smoother! I'm gonna idle and monitor. 01/04/2008 20:43:13 ‹Daigle› Werd 01/04/2008 20:43:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> I am not completely with you on that.. the 3.5 grapple rules are very easily abused 01/04/2008 20:43:22 * Duicarthan quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:43:24 ‹Daigle› Thanks for hosting Presence! 01/04/2008 20:43:30 ‹tensor› come sit by me Presence 01/04/2008 20:43:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yes Presence... it is going very smooth tonight 01/04/2008 20:43:38 ‹Presence› It is absolutely my pleasure! Thank you! 01/04/2008 20:43:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Oh, there is room for abuse... 01/04/2008 20:43:44 * James Jacobs joins Main 01/04/2008 20:43:47 ‹Saracenus› Rambling Scribe> Grapple is a complete subsystem that is completely different from all other combat. It is broke, broke, broke. 01/04/2008 20:43:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ahhh crap 01/04/2008 20:43:57 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:43:58 ‹Daigle› What's up Dr jacobs! 01/04/2008 20:43:58 ‹Saracenus› It is the hardest combat subsystem to teach new players 01/04/2008 20:44:04 ‹Mulban› I can't figure out how to accelerate in this game 01/04/2008 20:44:06 ‹TurboATX› word up Sar 01/04/2008 20:44:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› Mostly I find grapple abuse comes not from the grapple rules, but from other effects applied to them. 01/04/2008 20:44:26 ‹Fake Healer› Guess what Jason was gonna do JJ. 01/04/2008 20:44:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Saracenus> It is... and I am really, deeply considering getting quite a bit more strict with it 01/04/2008 20:44:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi JJ! 01/04/2008 20:44:38 ‹Daigle› Turbo here is why I know grapple as well as I do! 01/04/2008 20:44:38 ‹James Jacobs› Hi there, everyone! EXCEPT BULMAHN! Grrrr 01/04/2008 20:44:44 ‹Takasi› we use grapple all the time, with new players coming in and it doesn't seem that hard to us 01/04/2008 20:44:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Damn you Fake.. quiet now.. or no release 2 for you 01/04/2008 20:44:54 ‹Takasi› we thought it was kind of funny when WotC made a big stink about it 01/04/2008 20:44:54 ‹tensor› James are you a PhD? 01/04/2008 20:45:11 ‹Takasi› greetings James Jacobs 01/04/2008 20:45:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> I realize that it is not a problem for some, but I have seen players absolutely abuse it.. especially if the GM is not that familiar 01/04/2008 20:45:29 ‹Fake Healer› falsehealer at yahoo dot com.....release 2 in 5 minutes of JJ hears. 01/04/2008 20:45:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› James has a Doctorate of thinkology. 01/04/2008 20:45:31 ‹TurboATX› takasi> fear is a natural reaction to supreme intelligence 01/04/2008 20:45:33 ‹Saracenus› Rambling Scribe> The other issue is the finding all the rules, let alone the grapple exceptions 01/04/2008 20:45:38 ‹Takasi› define 'abuse'? 01/04/2008 20:45:48 ‹tensor› daigle called my dr, so just wonderin' 01/04/2008 20:45:50 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; the "doctor" is more of a nod to Doctor Doolittle, after my pal Matt Sernett found out how many animals and pets I had when I grew up. 01/04/2008 20:45:59 * Lilith joins Main 01/04/2008 20:46:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› That won't work on me Fake... 01/04/2008 20:46:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› WB Lilz! 01/04/2008 20:46:11 ‹Takasi› greetings Lilith 01/04/2008 20:46:17 ‹Fake Healer› :glomp::hugs:Lilith! 01/04/2008 20:46:20 * Lilith stabs her computer. 01/04/2008 20:46:26 ‹Saracenus› Rambling Scribe> I mean, how many people read Rake in the MM to know that natural attacks can only use one attack a round? 01/04/2008 20:46:31 * The Jade joins Main 01/04/2008 20:46:32 ‹Daigle› Lilz! 01/04/2008 20:46:33 ‹Blazej› My biggest problems were when I was not DMing and the DM was saying something about grapple that was wrong. I often just said whatever and went with what they said rather than dig through the grapple rules. 01/04/2008 20:46:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> Dump a lich in an antimagic shell and throw the monk at him.. combat over.. it is pretty horrible... 01/04/2008 20:46:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Rone! 01/04/2008 20:46:43 ‹Fake Healer› Damn you Bulmahn!!! 01/04/2008 20:46:48 ‹tensor› throw a rock at it Lilith ! :grr: 01/04/2008 20:46:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Saracenus: You are correct! 01/04/2008 20:46:57 ‹The Jade› Hey scribe. :) 01/04/2008 20:47:06 ‹Takasi› that's a pretty stupid lich to be put in that situation 01/04/2008 20:47:07 * Tobus Neth quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:47:13 ‹Daigle› Jade!!! 01/04/2008 20:47:27 ‹The Jade› My favorite Daigle. 01/04/2008 20:47:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> True.. but it is not hard to force him into that situation.. 01/04/2008 20:47:48 ‹The Jade› Ever since I met you Adam I've seen the name Daigle ten times at the end of movies. 01/04/2008 20:47:52 ‹Lilith› The Jade! :glomp: 01/04/2008 20:47:56 ‹Takasi› but it should be hard to GET to the lich 01/04/2008 20:48:01 ‹The Jade› Hi Lil :)x 01/04/2008 20:48:01 ‹Takasi› and even then harder to kill him 01/04/2008 20:48:01 ‹Russ› Grapple may be semi-complicated, but at least it is USEFUL in 3rd 01/04/2008 20:48:02 ‹Daigle› Really? Weird 01/04/2008 20:48:10 ‹The Jade› Yep. 01/04/2008 20:48:11 ‹Takasi› so what if the party is optimized the fight him 01/04/2008 20:48:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> Agreed... 01/04/2008 20:48:17 ‹Mothman› Hey James - loved the Amiri write up! (And no, I dont think the big sword is stupid - this is one situation where it WORKS!) 01/04/2008 20:48:17 ‹Takasi› that's their reward for long term planning 01/04/2008 20:48:20 ‹tensor› Jade: are you saying Daigle means "the end" in pornos? 01/04/2008 20:48:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Monk Grapplers that use goos tactics to maximize the effectiveness of their grapples can be hideous. 01/04/2008 20:48:28 ‹Daigle› Jade, Lilz...Turbo here is in my gaming group! 01/04/2008 20:48:32 ‹tensor› ;-? 01/04/2008 20:48:32 ‹The Jade› I've never made it to the end of a porno 01/04/2008 20:48:34 ‹tensor› :-? 01/04/2008 20:48:35 ‹TurboATX› i'm famous 01/04/2008 20:48:38 * Baron joins Main 01/04/2008 20:48:39 ‹The Jade› Joke. I kid because I love. 01/04/2008 20:48:45 ‹The Jade› and love. 01/04/2008 20:48:45 ‹tensor› haha 01/04/2008 20:48:46 ‹The Jade› And love. 01/04/2008 20:48:46 ‹Lilith› TurboATX! SWEET! :glomp: 01/04/2008 20:48:57 ‹The Jade› Hey Turbo. 01/04/2008 20:49:06 ‹TurboATX› hello there 01/04/2008 20:49:10 ‹Daigle› That's why I gave him the gold star 01/04/2008 20:49:15 ‹Takasi› grappling, IME, is usually more often hated by players 01/04/2008 20:49:18 ‹James Jacobs› mmmm... soup... 01/04/2008 20:49:19 ‹Takasi› not DMs 01/04/2008 20:49:24 ‹Hill Giant› I want grapple rules that let a PCs jump onto a larger creature and cling tenaciously!:glomp: 01/04/2008 20:49:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> i would agree with you, but most high level groups expect a spellcaster every game.. and I have seen this tactic pulled a number of times.. (usually on different GMs)... but I digress.. I do not want to argue the little bits here, but it can be a problem 01/04/2008 20:49:27 ‹Russ› Gotta love the current state of grapple in 3.5E, though - if you use the rules compendium, demons cannot teleport out of a grapple any more. 01/04/2008 20:49:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Are you feeling any better than last week? 01/04/2008 20:49:41 ‹Rambling Scribe› HG: That would be fun! 01/04/2008 20:49:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Ugg... 01/04/2008 20:50:12 ‹Russ› The list of things you can do in a grapple turned into ONLY these things, and SU and SP abilities are not in the list. 01/04/2008 20:50:16 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I am. Not as much as I want to be, but better. Tonight I find out if I can go 2 nights in a row without waking up every few hours into Ye Coughing Fit. 01/04/2008 20:50:25 ‹Takasi› monks are a glass jaw, grappling is their shitck, so good for them when they get the caster 01/04/2008 20:50:27 ‹Mr Baron› Hey James, when is Pathfinder #8 going to hit the warehouse? 01/04/2008 20:50:32 ‹tensor› Jade, what are you up to lately? 01/04/2008 20:50:34 * Baron quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:50:34 * Baron quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:50:43 ‹The Jade› A night of uninterrupted sleep would be... well at this point in my life, unimaginable. 01/04/2008 20:50:47 ‹CD Working› Jason Bulmahn, can I ask a question please? 01/04/2008 20:50:50 ‹Mulban› OK, I figured it out, you guys can stop worrying 01/04/2008 20:50:54 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder 8 should be hitting VERY soon. I heard a rumor that it might be hitting as soon as tomorrow... but that's still just a rumor. 01/04/2008 20:50:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› CD> Go right ahead 01/04/2008 20:51:02 ‹Russ› I'm much more annoyed by trip than grapple 01/04/2008 20:51:15 ‹Saracenus› Russ> That is why I ignore that bit of grapple idiocy in the Rules Compendium 01/04/2008 20:51:17 ‹Takasi› liches fights usually come down to who wins init 01/04/2008 20:51:17 ‹Fake Healer› I was wondering if there is a way to upgrade the PBP part of the boards. I would love to see a dice roller hosted on Paizo. Is there any chance of that? 01/04/2008 20:51:23 ‹Takasi› if the lich wins init, someone is probably going to die 01/04/2008 20:51:26 ‹Russ› So after the convention play, I've decided to ditch Pathfinder and convert to 4thE. This will be my last chat here. 01/04/2008 20:51:28 ‹Mr Baron› so subscribers could have it next week? 01/04/2008 20:51:39 ‹James Jacobs› The problem I've seen with monks is their high speed. The player of the monk makes it into the thick of combat before the rest of the party, and tends to get himself surrounded and cut off by the monsters. 01/04/2008 20:51:56 ‹CD Working› Why did you go with the stat changes i such a big way? 01/04/2008 20:51:59 ‹The Jade› Tensor... well I've been working on a lot of RPG projects... did the podcast for Nic with Ed Healy... and I've devised a cure for sliced bread. 01/04/2008 20:52:07 ‹Russ› Shocking how many people can't wait to engage. I see that with chargers too. 01/04/2008 20:52:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I can certainly see that.. to be honest, all of the combat maneuvers seem to be focused around using a subsystem to prevent you from doing the things you are designed to do.. it can be very frustrating.... especially in an optimized versus a non-optimized situation 01/04/2008 20:52:23 ‹James Jacobs› Fake Healer> Maybe eventually... but a dice roller is pretty far down on Gary's To-Do list, I imagine. 01/04/2008 20:52:24 ‹Saracenus› Russ> Is that your April Fools joke? 01/04/2008 20:52:29 ‹James Jacobs› I'll bring it up, though! 01/04/2008 20:52:44 ‹Russ› Saracenus> yeah, but no one cares apparently :) 01/04/2008 20:52:53 ‹Mr Baron› James/Jason...any word on the GSL? 01/04/2008 20:53:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› CD> I added the stat bumps to give all of the races a bit more of a niche.. it may have been too much. I am considering changing it to an either/or choice 01/04/2008 20:53:26 ‹James Jacobs› No word yet on the GSL, nope. 01/04/2008 20:53:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mr Baron> Nothing as of yet 01/04/2008 20:53:37 ‹Hill Giant› I like the stat bump 01/04/2008 20:53:43 ‹Fake Healer› Would it be possible to get an outside source like Invisible Castle to create one? 01/04/2008 20:53:47 ‹Mr Baron› I heard a rumor of June...any truth to that? 01/04/2008 20:53:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› The stat boosts to the races aren't overpowered until there is a stat generation system in place... 01/04/2008 20:53:55 ‹Fake Healer› a dice roller I mean. 01/04/2008 20:53:57 ‹Lilith› Fake Healer: Awww...there's one in here... 01/04/2008 20:53:59 ‹Lilith rolls dice› 1d20 » + 4 = 4 01/04/2008 20:54:04 ‹James Jacobs› Fake Healer> Yeah! There's one here! 01/04/2008 20:54:07 ‹Russ› 2 months until the rules come out, and no document for designers. Wow. 01/04/2008 20:54:10 ‹Fake Healer› Where? 01/04/2008 20:54:12 ‹The Jade› Tensor... how about yoruself.. What's new? 01/04/2008 20:54:17 ‹The Jade› Yourself, even 01/04/2008 20:54:19 ‹The Jade› long day 01/04/2008 20:54:21 ‹Lilith› Fake Healer: Type "/roll 1d20" or whatever 01/04/2008 20:54:24 ‹Mothman› James, Jason: Does it frustrate you guys when you’re running this big open play test, and changing things based on feedback, and then there’s comments on the boards saying things along the line of “it sounds like they’ve already decided what they want to do”? 01/04/2008 20:54:33 ‹Daigle rolls dice› 1d13 » + 3 = 3 01/04/2008 20:54:36 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> At this point, Any rumor of the GSL release is about as legit to me as any other one, be it tomorrow, next week, June, or never. 01/04/2008 20:54:45 ‹Takasi› James Jacobs, in Edge of Anarchy what happens if the players 'lose'? Personally I want to present all of the options at once, to give the players the feeling that they can beat the King of Spiders, Eel's End or the derro in any order they want 01/04/2008 20:54:54 ‹Fake Healer rolls dice› 1d20+11 » + 7 [+11] = 18 01/04/2008 20:55:02 ‹CD Working› Jason Bulmahn, +2 for a -2 would give a fairer niche 01/04/2008 20:55:10 ‹Saracenus› Jason Bulmahn> Have you conidered dumping the +2 Stat bonus for each race and just eliminate one of the -2 penalties instead? 01/04/2008 20:55:14 ‹Takasi› I was kind of hoping for a 'Game of Thrones' feel to Edge of Anarchy, but so far I'm not feeling that 01/04/2008 20:55:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> It is tricky... since some assume that because it has not changed in a week, that it will never change. I am keeping my mind open on pretty much all things, but I have to keep my eye on the prize, so to speak 01/04/2008 20:55:27 ‹Fake Healer› cool but I can't link it to a PBP. 01/04/2008 20:55:29 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Nah; there's always going to be poo-pooers or malcontents who get cranky. We certainly HAVEN'T made all the decisions yet; there's been a LOT of changes to the rules based on feedback already. 01/04/2008 20:55:52 ‹Lilith› Fake Healer: Go to the main DM Tools site, there's a dice roller there too. 01/04/2008 20:55:54 ‹Takasi› where are the intricate plots, the intrigue, the backstabbing, etc that I could put into a good urban game? 01/04/2008 20:55:59 ‹TurboATX› glad to see the feat chains go the way of the dodo quickly 01/04/2008 20:56:13 ‹Fake Healer› with linkage? 01/04/2008 20:56:18 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Depends what you mean by "lose." If you mean a TPK? Up to the GM. He can pick up where they left off with a new group, or start over, or start a different campaign, or whatever. 01/04/2008 20:56:19 ‹Russ› Takasi> some of them are implied in Guide to Korvosa. 01/04/2008 20:56:21 ‹Mothman› It seems obvious to me that you guys are listening to us - I sometimes wonder why other people dont seem to see it... 01/04/2008 20:56:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Saracenus> yes, but I kinda end up with the same problem that way.. a net +2 to the race, which is causing some compatability woes for some (although I do not personally see a +2 as that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things) 01/04/2008 20:56:32 ‹Takasi› no, I want the players to be able to 'lose' without dying 01/04/2008 20:56:43 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> I haven't read "Game of Thrones" so that would probably explain the lack of Game of Thrones vibe you're seeing. 01/04/2008 20:56:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Tubo> No problem 01/04/2008 20:56:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› They had to go 01/04/2008 20:56:49 ‹Takasi› that should be easy to do in an urban setup, but Edge of Anarchy does not make it that easy 01/04/2008 20:56:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> Me too 01/04/2008 20:57:13 ‹Takasi› does it really matter if they succeed or not? 01/04/2008 20:57:25 ‹TurboATX› i was amazed to see an initial update to PRPG so quickly 01/04/2008 20:57:28 ‹Takasi› how do the victories help the PCs? 01/04/2008 20:57:40 ‹Takasi› and how do they change the setting? 01/04/2008 20:57:45 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> That depends on what "victory" you're talking about. 01/04/2008 20:57:47 * Lilith pushes TurboATX's buttons to see if he overclocks. 01/04/2008 20:57:54 ‹Russ› Wow, pretty shocked you haven't read that. 01/04/2008 20:57:59 ‹Wyvern› He goes to 166Mhz! 01/04/2008 20:58:03 ‹Russ› Lilith> underclocks, you mean :) 01/04/2008 20:58:22 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG Closing Shop 01/04/2008 20:58:22 ‹Saracenus› Jason Bulmahn> I don't see the +2 stats stuff as a problem, I was saying you achive the same thing by removing the penalties... 01/04/2008 20:58:26 ‹Lilith› Russ: That too. :P 01/04/2008 20:58:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> yeah, we like to keep things moving.. no sense in waiting when we see some obvious problems 01/04/2008 20:58:32 ‹Takasi› specifically Eel's End, the dead warrens and the meat shop 01/04/2008 20:58:43 ‹Mothman› Doctor Jacobs, I enjoyed the Amiri write up in the blog 01/04/2008 20:58:59 * Grimcleaver joins Main 01/04/2008 20:59:00 ‹James Jacobs› To a certain extent, though, I don't really care about spending much time on "what happens if the PCs lose," because most of the time they don't. If we spent lots of extra time detailing what happens if, say, they fail to finish Eel's End all nice and tidy, then suddenly we have to cut something else out. 01/04/2008 20:59:04 ‹Lilith› Amiri was very nice, I like her backstory. 01/04/2008 20:59:19 ‹Russ› I like the idea of it being expensive to have a 1/2 orc with good int or an elf with a good Con 01/04/2008 20:59:21 ‹Takasi› Amiri seems very anime, I'm hearing a lot of comments from my players that the art in Pathfinder, which I show them on a monitor as the story progresses, does not feel like D&D 01/04/2008 20:59:21 ‹Mothman› hey Grim 01/04/2008 20:59:24 ‹Daigle› Howdy Grimcleaver! 01/04/2008 20:59:27 ‹Grimcleaver› I'm a monster...raragh! 01/04/2008 20:59:31 ‹The Jade› Hey Grim 01/04/2008 20:59:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Saracenus> Me neither, but for compatibility reasons, it might be best to go to an choice of two system.. gives the same flexibility without the creep 01/04/2008 20:59:36 * molrak quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 20:59:49 ‹James Jacobs› We try to present enough information, though, in the back matter articles and the GM info and the guidebooks and all that so that, if the PCs do mess up, the GM has the tools he needs to take his adventure into this new uncharted territory. 01/04/2008 20:59:50 ‹Takasi› James, it's not just if they lose, it's if they win 01/04/2008 20:59:52 ‹Grimcleaver› Heya! 01/04/2008 20:59:56 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, do you think that suggestions for converting 3.5 to PF RPG will be provided at the end? 01/04/2008 20:59:58 ‹Lilith› Grimcleaver: Do you have a lair? :P 01/04/2008 21:00:02 * Lilith glomps Grimcleaver! 01/04/2008 21:00:12 ‹Takasi› how important are their victories, really? 01/04/2008 21:00:18 ‹Grimcleaver› I have...a lair! 01/04/2008 21:00:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej: Yes.. and it is my goal to make them fit in about 4 pages tops... 01/04/2008 21:00:20 ‹James Jacobs› That's one of the HUGE advantages the pen & paper game has over computer RPGs; it can react to sudden changes like that BECAUSE the GM is there. 01/04/2008 21:00:27 ‹Russ› The PCs don't really have much impact on the city in the 1st mod unless they help off the prisoner. 01/04/2008 21:00:31 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, neat. 01/04/2008 21:00:49 ‹Grimcleaver› And guzzwhat? They gave me this awesome minion! Hello Francis! 01/04/2008 21:00:55 * RETH-Mog quit 01/04/2008 21:01:02 * The Jade quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:01:04 ‹CD Working› Jason Bulmahn, Have you thought of -2 to one stat then +1 to 2 stats 01/04/2008 21:01:09 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Actually, if the PCs fail to deliver the Shoanti body in "Edge of Anarchy" they're pretty much up shit creek without a paddle when it comes to "A History of Ashes." 01/04/2008 21:01:15 ‹Takasi› you can setup a module with various factions, and 'missions' or scenarios benefit one faction over the other 01/04/2008 21:01:26 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, if it wasn't clear I was talking about a guide for people converting non-SRD material on their own. 01/04/2008 21:01:28 ‹Takasi› but it doesn't seem like that's the case in CotCT 01/04/2008 21:01:36 * The Jade joins Main 01/04/2008 21:01:39 ‹James Jacobs› You're seeing 1/6 of the whole campaign right now, Takasi. MANY, if not ALL of your questions should and will be answered over the next five months. 01/04/2008 21:01:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› CD> I did, but I do not think I am leaning that way right now 01/04/2008 21:01:46 ‹The Jade› Someone wanna remove this boot? 01/04/2008 21:02:03 ‹Takasi› that's not very satisfying for players though, IMO 01/04/2008 21:02:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› WOO HOO.. fresh baked cookies for me... mmm.. peanut butter 01/04/2008 21:02:15 ‹Takasi› players want to see the impact of their victories soon, not 2 years down the road 01/04/2008 21:02:20 ‹Mothman› Re Pathfinder art and the “look” of D&D – what is the look of D&D? Should we go back to 1st edition monster manual style art because that is the traditional D&D look? 01/04/2008 21:02:26 ‹Takasi› or however long it might take a table to get to that module 01/04/2008 21:02:32 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Thanks for the kind words about Amiri. She may have just displaced Merisiel as my favorite iconic. As for those who don't like her sword... I put in the bit where she kills off the barbarians foolish enough to pick on her sword JUST FOR YOU!!!! :) 01/04/2008 21:02:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> To me, they are one in the same 01/04/2008 21:02:58 ‹Russ› I do indeed hate anime swords. Blah. 01/04/2008 21:03:06 ‹Mulban› Yeah, why MM1 1ed cover art was the greatest ever! 01/04/2008 21:03:25 ‹Saracenus› James Jacobs> Is that a Buster Sword? Or are you just happy to see me :razz: 01/04/2008 21:03:25 ‹Russ› EROL OTUS! 01/04/2008 21:03:32 * HG Closing Shop changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant (after hours) 01/04/2008 21:03:32 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> The impact of the victories in "Edge of Anarchy" is, pretty much, the city doesn't tear itself apart in riots because of the PC's work. If they fail too many of their missions, go ahead and have large sections of korvosa burn. 01/04/2008 21:03:54 ‹Takasi› I was hoping for something a little more subtle in an urban game 01/04/2008 21:04:02 ‹Takasi› that seems over the top 01/04/2008 21:04:07 * tensor sleeps 01/04/2008 21:04:13 ‹Russ› I had let the Shoanti slip my mind 01/04/2008 21:04:14 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> It sounds like you're complaining that it's too subtle already. 01/04/2008 21:04:46 ‹Takasi› no, it's nonexistent now, I'm asking for a change, you're giving me complete destruction! :) 01/04/2008 21:05:02 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, ok good. 01/04/2008 21:05:07 ‹Blazej› Thank you. :) 01/04/2008 21:05:08 * tensor quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:05:10 ‹James Jacobs› Dude, we're about 3 days from shiping part 4 to the printer. You're a bit late to ask for changes. 01/04/2008 21:05:11 ‹Mothman› I admit I’m not that into anime, but Im only aware of one anime where someone uses an oversized sword. In the case of Amiri the big sword is there for a reason. Whether it was art driving story or story driving art I don’t know, but it works for me. 01/04/2008 21:05:22 ‹Takasi› Just giving you feedback 01/04/2008 21:05:32 ‹Takasi› or are you never making another urban game again? 01/04/2008 21:05:34 ‹Blazej› I love that sword. 01/04/2008 21:05:45 ‹Blazej› I fear that sword. 01/04/2008 21:05:50 ‹James Jacobs› But in any case, again, I suggest you hold off until you have all 6 parts in hand. As I've said before, Crimson Throne is a real complex adventure path. It's going to help to have all six parts in hand. 01/04/2008 21:05:55 * paul joins Main 01/04/2008 21:05:58 ‹Blazej› Most of all I respect that sword. 01/04/2008 21:06:00 * Russ hands Mothman a copy of Final Fantasy ANYTHING. 01/04/2008 21:06:18 * Lilith waves at paul, gives him cookies. :cookie: 01/04/2008 21:06:41 ‹James Jacobs› We're certainly going to tackle urban adventures again. And I'm certainly taking your feedback into mind. But it's often VERY HARD to separate feedback from passive aggressive antagonisim... 01/04/2008 21:06:42 ‹The Jade› You'd have to kill a rhino for the leather to make that sword a scabbard. It's simply uneconomical. 01/04/2008 21:06:46 ‹The Jade› JOKE 01/04/2008 21:06:47 ‹Blazej› I recently saw a Chinese (I think) movie from the 70s that had a huge sword. 01/04/2008 21:07:17 ‹Blazej› The One Armed Swordsman Vs. the 9 Killers I think. 01/04/2008 21:07:24 ‹Blazej› Horrible movie. 01/04/2008 21:07:35 ‹paul› ty 01/04/2008 21:07:39 ‹The Jade› I love bad kung fu 01/04/2008 21:07:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright everybody.. no sense getting James all worked up.. lets change the subject.. how about this.. HOW much do you really think Bards suck? :-P 01/04/2008 21:07:52 ‹Daigle› Big swords are so phallic, no one appreciates a good knife fighter 01/04/2008 21:07:56 ‹Daigle› ;) 01/04/2008 21:07:57 ‹The Jade› The Flying Guillotine. 01/04/2008 21:07:58 ‹Mothman› Russ: like I said, i dont really read anime or know much about final fantasy ... so im probably wrong 01/04/2008 21:07:58 ‹Grimcleaver› Loves bad kung fu too. 01/04/2008 21:08:02 ‹James Jacobs› And also: You've admitted yourself, Takasi, that you prefer the sandbox style of play. That's not the kind of play Pathfinder is directly supporting, so certainly it's going to butt heads with your style. 01/04/2008 21:08:05 ‹The Jade› Now there was a bad kung fu flick 01/04/2008 21:08:07 ‹The Jade› Righ on. 01/04/2008 21:08:08 ‹TurboATX› bards are my favorite class 01/04/2008 21:08:09 ‹The Jade› right even 01/04/2008 21:08:10 ‹Blazej› But the sword destroyed any arguement that ridiculusly big swords came from anime. 01/04/2008 21:08:26 * Hill Giant (after hours) changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant 01/04/2008 21:08:28 ‹James Jacobs› Why would you need a scabbard for that sword in the first place? 01/04/2008 21:08:36 ‹Takasi› all D&D contains sandbox elements 01/04/2008 21:08:37 ‹The Jade› So a sword in an Asian film destroyed the argument that big swords came from asian films. 01/04/2008 21:08:39 ‹The Jade› ?? 01/04/2008 21:08:41 ‹The Jade› lol 01/04/2008 21:08:47 ‹Wyvern› Exactly James 01/04/2008 21:08:48 ‹Daigle› Turbo nearly wrecked me with diplomacy checks once. ;) 01/04/2008 21:08:52 ‹Blazej› Well. They Frost Giant might have used the scabbard. 01/04/2008 21:08:54 ‹The Jade› Chinese.Japanese... I know... but rumor has it they talk. 01/04/2008 21:08:57 ‹James Jacobs› BULMAHN! 01/04/2008 21:08:57 ‹Russ› Popularized by Anime and related computer games. Oversized swords existed, generally for display purposes or showing off sword-forging, in both Eastern and Western cultures 01/04/2008 21:08:58 ‹Grimcleaver› As a fellow sandbox guy can I just say how much I'm loving the huge tide of sourcebooks coming out? Holy cow. 01/04/2008 21:09:08 ‹Lilith› Bull man! 01/04/2008 21:09:13 ‹James Jacobs› Don't make me have the next AP systematically REMOVE all dwarves and beer from Golarion. 01/04/2008 21:09:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Lilith 01/04/2008 21:09:20 * Lilith runs over and glomps the Bulmahn, gives him beer. :beer: 01/04/2008 21:09:31 ‹Blazej› Asian movies != anime. 01/04/2008 21:09:36 ‹The Jade› I'm secure in my manhood. No overcompensation here. I fight with a very sharp potato peeler. 01/04/2008 21:09:45 * Daigle chants Down With Dwarves! 01/04/2008 21:09:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ohhhhh noooes.. no removing of beer and dwarves.. they are mandatory elements in the new PFRPG 01/04/2008 21:09:59 ‹Mothman› A dwarf was mistaken for a dog in one of my pbp games today... 01/04/2008 21:09:59 ‹The Jade› So that he might more easily mo-lest them! 01/04/2008 21:10:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks lilith... virtual beer is just as delicious 01/04/2008 21:10:12 * Russ sighs at 4thE 5-foot tall dwarves 01/04/2008 21:10:15 ‹Grimcleaver› NO! Then my dream of half-dwarves will be dashed! 01/04/2008 21:10:20 ‹Daigle› I can;t abide by a beer ban, however. 01/04/2008 21:10:35 ‹Takasi› I'd like to see a return of racial class restrictions 01/04/2008 21:10:39 ‹Blazej› It may have been popularized by Anime it doesn't mean someone can't have a large sword without being derived from anime. 01/04/2008 21:10:43 ‹Takasi› gnomes should be dwarves who cast spells 01/04/2008 21:10:45 ‹Saracenus› beer was my dwarven wizards only spell component 01/04/2008 21:10:51 ‹Saracenus› Well, beer and ale 01/04/2008 21:10:52 ‹James Jacobs› Frankly, the strange and virulent hatred of oversized swords, long elf ears, of all things Anime in general that many gamers have kind of boggles me. ESPECIALLY if the same gamer goes on to say Highlander is a great movie. 01/04/2008 21:10:58 ‹Hill Giant› Takasi: gah 01/04/2008 21:11:02 * Mothman quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:11:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> Feel free to add them, but that is a pandora's box that I do not think I can close 01/04/2008 21:11:11 ‹The Jade› Blaze... I'm not really arguing. Just having fun. :) 01/04/2008 21:11:13 ‹Takasi› it's not hatred of anime JJ, it's hatred of anime in D&D 01/04/2008 21:11:13 ‹Grimcleaver› Hates Highlander... 01/04/2008 21:11:15 ‹Russ› Highlander lacks overesized swords. 01/04/2008 21:11:28 ‹Takasi› don't want peanut butter in their chocolate 01/04/2008 21:11:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› Highlander is an awful movie. But I love it nonetheless. 01/04/2008 21:11:36 ‹Hill Giant› Highlander is funny. 01/04/2008 21:11:48 ‹Russ› As long as the emo elements of Anime stay out of PF. 01/04/2008 21:11:48 ‹Blazej› What about Highlander the anime? 01/04/2008 21:11:50 ‹Grimcleaver› Aw yuck. Hate hate hate. 01/04/2008 21:11:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› brb... 3 min 01/04/2008 21:11:50 ‹James Jacobs› If D&D can absorb things as widely different as Lovecraft, Tolkein, and robots... it can learn a few things from anime. 01/04/2008 21:11:55 ‹Takasi› that's the niche gnomes were designed for originally 01/04/2008 21:11:59 ‹The Jade› General Kwan's Kwan Dao was purported to weigh one hundred pounds! Most fictional characters aren't that strong. 01/04/2008 21:12:13 ‹Grimcleaver› Love the anime touches on gnomes and elves. 01/04/2008 21:12:24 ‹Grimcleaver› I think it blends very nicely. 01/04/2008 21:12:28 * Jazzi joins Main 01/04/2008 21:12:30 ‹James Jacobs› I do too. 01/04/2008 21:12:32 ‹The Jade› I liked Highlander. Saw it as a youngun but oo it hit the right spot. 01/04/2008 21:12:40 ‹The Jade› The sequels sucked the green outta the grass. 01/04/2008 21:12:42 ‹Blazej› http://www.animenewsnetwork.co...id=5552 01/04/2008 21:12:47 ‹Grimcleaver› That said. The Zweihander was a pretty big sword and was as real as a heartattack. 01/04/2008 21:12:48 ‹The Jade› hey jazz 01/04/2008 21:12:55 * Mothman quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:13:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› I refused to watch the sequels. There can be only one! 01/04/2008 21:13:06 ‹Lilith› The Jade: The Highlander movies needed to follow their mantra. "There can be only one." 01/04/2008 21:13:15 * Lilith gives Rambling Scribe a high five! :woot: 01/04/2008 21:13:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› :w00t: 01/04/2008 21:13:27 ‹Grimcleaver› I did like the one Highlander Endgame movie. That one was really the only one worth watching. Dang good actually. 01/04/2008 21:13:30 * Hill Giant quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:13:30 * Hill Giant quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:13:31 ‹The Jade› lol... too true 01/04/2008 21:13:34 ‹Grimcleaver› The latest one was awful. 01/04/2008 21:13:36 ‹James Jacobs› Highlander could have helped its cause by ditching Christopher Lambert and replacing him with, oh, pretty much any other actor. 01/04/2008 21:13:47 ‹Russ› Urgh. Endgame was cinematic vomit. 01/04/2008 21:13:50 ‹Mulban› This game would be great if you could point the camera so you could see whats going on 01/04/2008 21:13:56 * Mothman joins Main 01/04/2008 21:14:08 ‹paul› ahh lambert is the reason i love it 01/04/2008 21:14:08 ‹TurboATX› can you call him an actor? 01/04/2008 21:14:09 ‹The Jade› For an eighteen year old... it was just fine. 01/04/2008 21:14:10 ‹James Jacobs› Clancy Brown? Sean Connery? CHECK. It takes a powerful non-talent to undo the work of both of those guys at once. 01/04/2008 21:14:20 * Watcher joins Main 01/04/2008 21:14:21 ‹Daigle› I think Highlander would have been better with Chistopher Walken rather than Christopher Lambert 01/04/2008 21:14:27 ‹James Jacobs› HOLY SHIT 01/04/2008 21:14:31 ‹Russ› Got it, James Jacobs wants Paul Reubens as Conner MacCloud :) 01/04/2008 21:14:31 ‹James Jacobs› That would have rocked. 01/04/2008 21:14:31 ‹Grimcleaver› I thought it actually captured a lot of what the whole series and movies were trying to capture, and I thought it did so rather well. 01/04/2008 21:14:38 ‹Takasi› so was their anything for April Fool's Day on Paizo? 01/04/2008 21:14:47 ‹Watcher› !! 01/04/2008 21:14:49 * Lori quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:14:55 ‹James Jacobs› Bulmahn messed with my computer. He was quite proud of his chicanery. 01/04/2008 21:14:59 ‹Daigle› Howdy Watcher! 01/04/2008 21:15:02 ‹Grimcleaver› And it didn't have the corny sword sparklers. 01/04/2008 21:15:04 ‹Lilith› Watcher! :glomp: 01/04/2008 21:15:07 ‹Russ› I liked Highlander a lot more in 1989 than I do in 2008, though. 01/04/2008 21:15:07 ‹Watcher› Oh, Christopher Walken, not me. Okay, that makes sense 01/04/2008 21:15:13 ‹Watcher› Hi Everybody 01/04/2008 21:15:15 ‹Mulban› What got me was how terrible the 2nd one was 01/04/2008 21:15:17 ‹James Jacobs› Highlander has not aged well. 01/04/2008 21:15:20 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Watcher! 01/04/2008 21:15:24 ‹Daigle› My boss put a picture of llamas humping as my background by the time I got to work today. 01/04/2008 21:15:25 ‹James Jacobs› Hiya, Watcher! 01/04/2008 21:15:26 ‹Grimcleaver› Paul Reubens as the missing MacCloud would be AWESOME! 01/04/2008 21:15:29 * Hill Giant 2 joins Main 01/04/2008 21:15:30 * Hill Giant quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:15:35 ‹Takasi› no one put any Star Wars figures in Jello? 01/04/2008 21:15:37 ‹Russ› The 2nd one was terrible because the insurers took over production 01/04/2008 21:15:39 ‹Mulban› And the TV show? We'll make it about his cousin! 01/04/2008 21:15:42 ‹Wyvern› They reimagine the universe at every sequel. 01/04/2008 21:15:42 ‹James Jacobs› Bulmahn turned my screen upside down. 01/04/2008 21:15:46 ‹Russ› And they decided Scifi made more than fantasy 01/04/2008 21:15:57 ‹The Jade› General Katana. Are you effing kidding me? I almost threw something at the TV set. 01/04/2008 21:16:01 * Hill Giant 2 changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant 01/04/2008 21:16:04 ‹Blazej› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...uY&NR=1 and the Highlander video just to be complete. 01/04/2008 21:16:05 * Russ is sick of "Reimagining" 01/04/2008 21:16:17 * Daigle steers this wild bus back on the Path. 01/04/2008 21:16:24 ‹Mulban› I actually watched that in theaters 01/04/2008 21:16:28 ‹James Jacobs› No Star Wars figures in my cube to be Jelloed. Godzilla/Gamera/Final Fantasy/that creepy Real Dead Fish Kyle Found though? They could have easilly become victims. 01/04/2008 21:16:29 ‹The Jade› I never thought I'd not want to watch Michael Ironside. 01/04/2008 21:16:33 ‹Russ› Reimagining got us 4thE, whee 01/04/2008 21:16:36 ‹The Jade› "We're gonna do this the scanners way, boy." 01/04/2008 21:16:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I was very pleased with rotating James' monitor.. and I put post it notes over a bunch of people's optical mouses.. it was fun watching them try to figure out why they would not work 01/04/2008 21:16:46 ‹Takasi› reimagining got us Pathfinder too Russ 01/04/2008 21:16:50 ‹Takasi› goblins anyone? 01/04/2008 21:16:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pretty tame though.. all things considered 01/04/2008 21:16:58 ‹Russ› Nah, PF isn't a reimagining. 01/04/2008 21:17:00 ‹Takasi› Classic Monsters Revisited? 01/04/2008 21:17:04 ‹Watcher› I know I'm late but were there any big revelations? 01/04/2008 21:17:04 ‹Takasi› sure it is 01/04/2008 21:17:06 ‹Takasi› anime? 01/04/2008 21:17:08 ‹Russ› It's not throwing out everything to make something "cooler". 01/04/2008 21:17:15 ‹James Jacobs› Bulmahn didn't even realize what stunt I pulled on him though. He probably NEVER will. 01/04/2008 21:17:20 ‹Takasi› it's throwing out a lot of stuff 01/04/2008 21:17:25 ‹Daigle› Jason, stick a hair up in the hole the laser thingy is in. It makes the mouse skitter. 01/04/2008 21:17:26 ‹Mulban› Well, Im going to read a little of PF 4 then pass out 01/04/2008 21:17:31 ‹Takasi› or so it seems from the rules discussions so far... 01/04/2008 21:17:31 ‹Mulban› Good night folks 01/04/2008 21:17:35 ‹Grimcleaver› Oooh just got my goblin minis! 01/04/2008 21:17:36 ‹Takasi› to make things 'cooler' 01/04/2008 21:17:38 ‹The Jade› night mulban 01/04/2008 21:17:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> now I am concerned.. you better not have given me cancer again 01/04/2008 21:17:41 ‹Grimcleaver› They look awesome! 01/04/2008 21:17:42 * Russ wishes this chat had a mute button. 01/04/2008 21:17:43 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Mulban 21:17:55 ‹Mr Baron› James...any news you can share on AP4? 01/04/2008 21:17:57 ‹Lilith› Russ: ? There is one. Click on the speaker icon. 01/04/2008 21:18:00 * The Jade mimes his thoughts for Russ 01/04/2008 21:18:01 ‹Russ› Someone pushed the "Argument" button again, apparently 01/04/2008 21:18:02 ‹Blazej› Mute? 01/04/2008 21:18:02 ‹James Jacobs› If it can talk and meddle with your sleep and hide your brauts, is it still technically Cancer? 01/04/2008 21:18:05 ‹Russ› Lilith - I mean a "gag" command 01/04/2008 21:18:06 * Daigle wishes Russ had a mute button ;) 01/04/2008 21:18:07 ‹Grimcleaver› Also got my Nualia mini...*sniffles* 01/04/2008 21:18:09 ‹Lilith› Russ: Ah! 01/04/2008 21:18:17 ‹Daigle› :P 01/04/2008 21:18:18 ‹Fake Healer› Grim, go mine a few days back and prepping them for paint. They are awesome! 01/04/2008 21:18:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Yes... 01/04/2008 21:18:24 ‹Lilith› OOh! I can announce prizes for PaizoCon, right? :P 01/04/2008 21:18:35 ‹Daigle› You know I'm foolin' right? 01/04/2008 21:18:42 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Wes and I had a bit of a brainstorm session for AP4 today, actaully. But we haven't really settled on anything solid yet. We have to soon, though! 01/04/2008 21:18:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> there are prizes? 01/04/2008 21:18:44 * Mulban quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:18:50 ‹Russ› Daigle> no, I don't :) 01/04/2008 21:18:59 ‹Daigle› Awww 01/04/2008 21:19:09 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Oh yes. There will be prizes. 01/04/2008 21:19:17 ‹Grimcleaver› Awesome. It's love at first sight. 01/04/2008 21:19:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Cool 01/04/2008 21:19:22 ‹Mr Baron› do you have a couple of ideas that you guys are kicking around? 01/04/2008 21:19:30 ‹Mr Baron› that you can share? 01/04/2008 21:19:33 ‹James Jacobs› Us editorial pit mooks don't always get all the info updates... 01/04/2008 21:19:37 ‹Grimcleaver› Oooh prizes?? 01/04/2008 21:19:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Charles Evans asked me to ask you about Pathfinder translations (specifically German, but anything else) 01/04/2008 21:19:47 ‹The Jade› pit mook. My new band name. 01/04/2008 21:20:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› Charles Evans wants to ask about German translations? What a shock! 01/04/2008 21:20:15 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> I suppose I can say that AP4 is looking like it's 98% likely at this time to be set in Cheliax. Beyond that... that's really all I can say. In that there's REALLY not much more developed about it yet. 01/04/2008 21:20:25 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, was playing PFRPG tongiht, still in Burnt Offerings. Mage continues to sing your praises 01/04/2008 21:20:30 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> No news about translations yet that I'm aware of. 01/04/2008 21:21:05 ‹Fake Healer› Alright guys, I gotta sleep. 12:20am in delaware now. Fakey must sleep. 01/04/2008 21:21:06 ‹Daigle› Charles is on when the Euopean chatters are here more often, so he hears their concerns more often than us. 01/04/2008 21:21:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher> I am glad to hear it... 01/04/2008 21:21:15 ‹Grimcleaver› So any new staffers looking to make an appearance at the big Paizocon? 01/04/2008 21:21:17 ‹Daigle› Dream well Fakey! 01/04/2008 21:21:25 ‹Mr Baron› Have you guys talked to Clark P about Necro doing a AP using Pathfinder RPG rules? 01/04/2008 21:21:30 ‹Lilith› Fake Healer: Night dude! :D 01/04/2008 21:21:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› I know. I didn't mean to sound snarky. 01/04/2008 21:21:43 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe: :P 01/04/2008 21:21:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Grim> I will be there.. and I am hoping to run a few short playtest bits of my own design.. should be fun 01/04/2008 21:21:53 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Also. AP4 will probably NOT be a big "save the world" type campaign. After "Second Darkness," we want to let a few go by without putting the entire world at peril for a bit. 01/04/2008 21:21:54 ‹Daigle› I was juss 'splainin' 01/04/2008 21:21:59 ‹Grimcleaver› Had a friend who we had to talk down from taking his Hook Mountain issue down to get it signed by Logue in blood! 01/04/2008 21:21:59 ‹The Jade› Night Healer 01/04/2008 21:22:10 ‹Takasi› I'd like AP4 to be a 'build the world' AP 01/04/2008 21:22:13 * Jazzi quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:22:19 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> not yet. Clark/Necro is kinda in a holding pattern at this point until we all see the GSL. 01/04/2008 21:22:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Fake 01/04/2008 21:22:22 ‹Grimcleaver› Neat! 01/04/2008 21:22:35 ‹Grimcleaver› Jason Bulmahn, Neat! 01/04/2008 21:22:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Fakey! 01/04/2008 21:22:44 ‹TurboATX› the GSL is an illusion 01/04/2008 21:22:50 * Fake Healer quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:22:53 ‹James Jacobs› Grimcleaver> Barring some sort of calamity or catastrophie, I'll be at Paizocon, I suspect. 01/04/2008 21:22:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› The cake is a lie 01/04/2008 21:22:57 ‹Mr Baron› will there be a pathfinder character class? 01/04/2008 21:23:01 ‹Russ› The GSL is a stalling tactic 01/04/2008 21:23:08 ‹Russ› I'd give about a 1/4 chance it gets cancelled 01/04/2008 21:23:11 ‹Wyvern› We can't tell Turbo, until we interact with it we don't get a saving throw. 01/04/2008 21:23:16 * Rambling Scribe wishes he could go to PaizoCon. 01/04/2008 21:23:24 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that we'll probably end up having several different Pathfinder prestige classes, actually. Maybe. 01/04/2008 21:23:29 ‹Grimcleaver› James Jacobs, Awesome. That alone would be reason enough to go. 01/04/2008 21:23:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lilz! let's hear about those prizes! 01/04/2008 21:23:35 ‹Watcher› Jason Bulmahn, I'm not seeing drastic differences in PFRPG at low levels, except in the mage and cleric. They're enjoying heightened usefulness. Nobody else notices much in the way of transition. 01/04/2008 21:23:35 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Woo-hoo! 01/04/2008 21:23:53 ‹Grimcleaver› James Jacobs, Any chance we get to go take a tour of the offices an' whatnot? 01/04/2008 21:23:55 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe: I'm still working on the details of some of them... 01/04/2008 21:24:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> You are most optimistic than I am.. not that i know any more than you do.. I am just rather pessimistic about the whole thing right now.. not that I do not have enough to worry about 01/04/2008 21:24:09 ‹Mr Baron› excellent.. 01/04/2008 21:24:15 ‹James Jacobs› Chances of office tours are rather low, I'm afraid. 01/04/2008 21:24:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher> Perfect.. that is exactly what I was shooting for 01/04/2008 21:24:54 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :cry: 01/04/2008 21:25:12 ‹Grimcleaver› Aww...man bummer. Our whole warparty are gonna' cry. 01/04/2008 21:25:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› to be honest.. there is not much to see.. rooms and cubes.. cubes full of toys.. that is about it 01/04/2008 21:25:33 * Takasi likes toys. 01/04/2008 21:25:44 ‹James Jacobs› wow 01/04/2008 21:25:45 ‹Grimcleaver› But there...the Pathfinder room, with the big original map! 01/04/2008 21:25:49 ‹paul› if you reveal the office it will loose its mystery 01/04/2008 21:25:49 ‹James Jacobs› Just had a WotC/Hasbro flashback. 01/04/2008 21:25:54 ‹James Jacobs› Due to Takasi. 01/04/2008 21:25:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Maybe I will try to take some videos over the next few days to give you a sense of what the place is like 01/04/2008 21:26:01 ‹Russ› oh? 01/04/2008 21:26:03 ‹TurboATX› they are not toys, they are action figures! 01/04/2008 21:26:24 ‹Takasi› share your flashback JJ 01/04/2008 21:26:31 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth working 01/04/2008 21:26:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Turbo> Some are indeed action figures.. others are clearly toys.. cool toys, but toys nonetheless 01/04/2008 21:26:37 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Another assassination video? 01/04/2008 21:26:40 ‹Watcher› Allegedly there is also a gross sink, and some bugs in the editorial pit. Not listening devices, actual insects 01/04/2008 21:26:41 ‹TurboATX› ok 01/04/2008 21:26:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> Maybe... 01/04/2008 21:26:52 ‹Grimcleaver› Jason Bulmahn, That'd be awesome! 01/04/2008 21:26:53 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Your determination of Cosmo's demise was impressive. 01/04/2008 21:26:53 * Saracenus hides his dolls, er action figures 01/04/2008 21:26:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher> None that I have seen 01/04/2008 21:27:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› They are not action figures, they are dolls. 01/04/2008 21:27:14 ‹Mr Baron› what's the scoop on Nick's new website? 01/04/2008 21:27:29 ‹The Jade› What kinda scoop do you meanBaron?, 01/04/2008 21:27:36 ‹Grimcleaver› Dude. A bug that lives off of Nick Logues' scraps. You know what that would sell for on E-Bay?? 01/04/2008 21:27:39 ‹James Jacobs› About the time Hasbro bought WotC, they brought us all into the rec room and we watched a big video introduction from the Boss Men from Hasbro, welcoming us to the family. At one point, Al Hassenfeld said, "I like toys." And the camera went in for an awkward closeup as he said it, and he said it in a creepy voice. The net effect: lots of laughter. 01/04/2008 21:27:43 ‹Lilith› Mr Baron: What do you want to know? 01/04/2008 21:27:50 ‹Daigle› Chris, what other things did we find from our playtest? 01/04/2008 21:27:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Cosmo must be put in his place now and again.. he has delusions of grandeur... (and not that kind that gives you +20 life... sorry old MtG joke) 01/04/2008 21:28:01 * Lilith giggles at Jason Bulmahn. 01/04/2008 21:28:09 ‹paul› how is the drive from paizocon to sanfransico 01/04/2008 21:28:12 ‹James Jacobs› There are indeed spiders and bugs in the building. More than Jason suspects. 01/04/2008 21:28:14 * Russ quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:28:28 ‹James Jacobs› Paul> It's about a 16 hour drive, I'd guess. Mabye 18. 01/04/2008 21:28:35 ‹paul› k 01/04/2008 21:28:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Sssshhh.. if I don't know about them, they are not real.. damn spiders... 01/04/2008 21:28:47 ‹Watcher› lol 01/04/2008 21:28:49 ‹TurboATX› daigle> rogues could be a bit strong in feats compared to other classes 01/04/2008 21:28:50 * Lilith finally saw The Mist this weekend. 01/04/2008 21:28:56 ‹Lilith› Now those are scary spiders. 01/04/2008 21:28:56 ‹paul› me too lil 01/04/2008 21:29:05 ‹Mr Baron› is he starting his own company on the side? I am trying to pull up the the thread where he mentions 01/04/2008 21:29:06 ‹The Jade› Cthuluey goo dtime. 01/04/2008 21:29:08 * Crimson Jester joins Main 01/04/2008 21:29:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> good choice.. great flick 01/04/2008 21:29:11 ‹paul› i loved the tenacles 01/04/2008 21:29:14 ‹paul› dammit 01/04/2008 21:29:16 ‹James Jacobs› I drive from Renton to Point Arena every Christmas, and that's about a 14 hour drive. And Point Arena is 3 hours from San Francisco. But if you stay on I-5 or 101 for most of that way, you can shave a few hours off... 01/04/2008 21:29:19 ‹Lilith› The Jade: :cthulhu: 01/04/2008 21:29:20 ‹The Jade› Baron: He started his own game studio. Sinister Adventures 01/04/2008 21:29:21 ‹paul› spellin's off 01/04/2008 21:29:23 ‹James Jacobs› (AKA: Avoid Highway 1) 01/04/2008 21:29:40 * Saracenus is looking forward to Hellboy II 01/04/2008 21:29:55 ‹Takasi› but 1 is so purdy 01/04/2008 21:29:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Saracenus is wise 01/04/2008 21:29:58 ‹Saracenus› More Cuthulu goodness :cthulhu: 01/04/2008 21:30:00 ‹Grimcleaver› We're driving in from Idaho. Should be about 11 hours. Renting a big van and piling our whole posse into it. 01/04/2008 21:30:00 ‹James Jacobs› THE MIST! 01/04/2008 21:30:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Agreed 01/04/2008 21:30:22 ‹James Jacobs› I LOVE THAT MOVIE! I watched pretty much every second of my new DVD of it over the weekend, commentary and trailers and documentaries and all. 01/04/2008 21:30:26 ‹Grimcleaver› Woo! Hellboy II!! 01/04/2008 21:30:28 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer the B&W version of the movie. 01/04/2008 21:30:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Grim> Crazy.. and fun, we used to do that often back in the midwest 01/04/2008 21:30:36 ‹Watcher› Lilith, thanks for the warning.. my wife is pretty phobic. Now I know to get that when she is out. Man, when they had tv commercials for 'Eight Legged Freaks', that was rough.. Her sceams would make me jump out of my skin 01/04/2008 21:31:03 ‹Lilith› Watcher: Dude. That movie made my skin crawl, and I'm generally okay with the creepy crawlies. With the exception of centipedes. 01/04/2008 21:31:04 ‹James Jacobs› Highway 1 IS awesome. It's just... not conducive to fast trips. 01/04/2008 21:31:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Watcher's wife is also wise 01/04/2008 21:31:13 ‹James Jacobs› It IS the source of 20% of my nightmares though. 01/04/2008 21:31:19 ‹Grimcleaver› Is the Mist an okay movie? The trailers made it look kinda lame. 01/04/2008 21:31:26 ‹The Jade› Definitely recommend the mist 01/04/2008 21:31:30 ‹The Jade› Not lame at all. 01/04/2008 21:31:36 ‹Grimcleaver› It was like attack of the Geonosis bugmen from Episode II. 01/04/2008 21:31:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Grim> It was actaully pretty entertaining.. well done.. a bit dark.. but fun 01/04/2008 21:31:43 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> The spider scenes in the Mist are PRETTY rough. 01/04/2008 21:31:43 ‹Lilith› Grimcleaver: Cthulhu goodness. :cthulhu: 01/04/2008 21:31:44 ‹The Jade› And I'm not a fan of King adaptations in general. This was simply good. 01/04/2008 21:32:01 ‹James Jacobs› The Mist was my favorite movie of 2007. 01/04/2008 21:32:15 ‹Grimcleaver› Cool. I might check it out then. There have been a lot of lame lame Stephen King movies. 01/04/2008 21:32:16 ‹paul› the mist is on my list 01/04/2008 21:32:16 ‹Watcher› Definitely watch it when she's out. 01/04/2008 21:32:24 ‹Grimcleaver› If this one isn't I'll gladly watch it. 01/04/2008 21:32:35 ‹Grimcleaver› Especially with JJ's recommendation. 01/04/2008 21:32:37 ‹James Jacobs› Of course, the short story's one of my favorite King short stories. But: It's very loyal to the story, the movie. 01/04/2008 21:32:46 ‹paul› longwalk 01/04/2008 21:32:49 ‹paul› they mentioned it 01/04/2008 21:32:51 ‹Lilith› paul: That was good. 01/04/2008 21:32:56 ‹paul› in the interview part 01/04/2008 21:32:59 ‹James Jacobs› It's got one of the most Hard Core endings ever. 01/04/2008 21:33:02 ‹Lilith› I think I liked Rage as a short story. 01/04/2008 21:33:03 ‹paul› yeah 01/04/2008 21:33:04 ‹Karelzarath› The Long Walk was awesome 01/04/2008 21:33:10 ‹Watcher› Some of King's tv adapations are better than the feature films, In think anyway 01/04/2008 21:33:19 ‹Grimcleaver› Cool. 01/04/2008 21:33:31 ‹James Jacobs› Frank Darabont knows how to adapt King like NO ONE else. 01/04/2008 21:33:37 ‹paul› darabont adn king were talking about it i hope the do it 01/04/2008 21:33:43 ‹paul› they 01/04/2008 21:33:45 ‹James Jacobs› Between Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and The Mist. He knows what's going on. 01/04/2008 21:33:52 ‹The Jade› I agree James. He did a great job. 01/04/2008 21:33:55 ‹paul› agreed 01/04/2008 21:34:11 ‹Grimcleaver› People talk about Cloverfield as Lovecraft. Honestly sometimes I wonder if people even understand what makes something Lovecraftian or not. Whoa, it's totally Lovecraft, cause it has...a MONSTER! 01/04/2008 21:34:21 ‹Watcher› All good films and books those. I read the Green Mile in Chapter Book form 01/04/2008 21:34:27 ‹James Jacobs› I doubt Rage will ever be reprinted or translated into a movie ever. That's pretty much the one story, I hear, that King wishes he'd never written. 01/04/2008 21:34:30 ‹paul› i like the tv remake of the shining better than the old one 01/04/2008 21:34:37 ‹Crimson Jester› Cloverfield IS NOT LOVECRAFT 01/04/2008 21:34:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: nevertheless...it is a good read. 01/04/2008 21:34:52 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed. 01/04/2008 21:34:56 ‹Watcher› Me too Paul! Mr. King agrees with us 01/04/2008 21:34:58 ‹TurboATX› good evening all, nice talking to you 01/04/2008 21:35:00 ‹Crimson Jester› truth be known they dont make very good Lovecraft movies 01/04/2008 21:35:05 ‹The Jade› Sounded like a kaiju film to me. 01/04/2008 21:35:06 ‹paul› :) 01/04/2008 21:35:09 ‹Grimcleaver› Nite ATX! 01/04/2008 21:35:13 * Russ can't stand King 01/04/2008 21:35:14 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Chris! 01/04/2008 21:35:17 ‹James Jacobs› Cloverfield is not Lovecraft... BUT: The monster itself is somewhat Lovecraftian. 01/04/2008 21:35:21 ‹Karelzarath› Rage? What anthology was it published in? 01/04/2008 21:35:21 ‹The Jade› Anyone see that Korean kaiju film, The Host? I dug it. 01/04/2008 21:35:24 ‹Daigle› See ya Sunday!! 01/04/2008 21:35:34 ‹Grimcleaver› I dunno. I think Lovecraft movies are like Kung Fu movies. The best ones are the worst ones! 01/04/2008 21:35:36 ‹The Jade› Night turbo 01/04/2008 21:35:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I agree with James.. for once.. :-) 01/04/2008 21:35:40 ‹James Jacobs› The HOST! Also awesome. My 2nd favorite movie of 2007, after The Mist. 01/04/2008 21:35:45 ‹The Jade› Yuzna films, Grim 01/04/2008 21:35:53 ‹Grimcleaver› In the Mouth of Madness, Dagon. Both really great bad films. 01/04/2008 21:35:55 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe 3rd favorite... after Last Winter. 01/04/2008 21:36:01 ‹Lilith› Karelzarath: The Richard Bachman anthology 01/04/2008 21:36:07 * TurboATX quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:36:10 ‹Grimcleaver› Yuzna? 01/04/2008 21:36:14 ‹James Jacobs› eew... The worst Lovecraft movies are like having eye surgery in a puppet shop. Not Reccomended. 01/04/2008 21:36:18 ‹Saracenus› Balls of Fury... For Chistopher Walken! :lick: 01/04/2008 21:36:25 ‹Watcher› In the Mouth of Madness had a lot going for it all things considered 01/04/2008 21:36:30 ‹Crimson Jester› Naw there are getting to be some good Kung fu movies, but speaking 1970 ish yeah the bad ones are the best 01/04/2008 21:36:36 ‹The Jade› Brian Yuzna made From Beyond. REanimator , Reanimator 2 01/04/2008 21:36:45 ‹James Jacobs› He produced those movies. 01/04/2008 21:36:48 ‹Crimson Jester› don remind me 01/04/2008 21:36:51 ‹Grimcleaver› Eye surgury in a puppet shop? That sounds awesome. 01/04/2008 21:36:58 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester: Fearless asn't bad. 01/04/2008 21:37:00 ‹The Jade› He added his own terribleness to Lovecraft and it made for fun schlock. 01/04/2008 21:37:08 ‹The Jade› It's an acquired taste. 01/04/2008 21:37:11 ‹Saracenus› My favorite Chuthulu movie? To Cast A Deadly Spell with James Ward 01/04/2008 21:37:13 ‹paul› fearless is beatiful ...the airplane one 01/04/2008 21:37:18 ‹James Jacobs› Stuart Gordon's the director of the better Lovecraft movies. He's apparently getting some traction on making "The Thing on the Doorstep" too. 01/04/2008 21:37:20 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah Fearless was a good one Lil 01/04/2008 21:37:23 ‹The Jade› Fritz Weaver's head flying around the room with bat wings. 01/04/2008 21:37:29 ‹The Jade› I met the writer of Fearless. 01/04/2008 21:37:34 ‹Crimson Jester› To Cast a deadly Spell was a great movie 01/04/2008 21:37:43 ‹The Jade› His brother's a famous writer as well 01/04/2008 21:37:50 ‹Takasi› I also read the Rage as a kid, I wrote an adaptation of it as a play and submitted it to our 7th grade 'learning fair' and won first place! :) 01/04/2008 21:37:52 ‹James Jacobs› The silent B&W Call of Cthulhu is probably the best direct Lovecraft movie adaptation. 01/04/2008 21:37:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> You should know that they are thinking about making a cloverfield game.. although I know little else about it.. 01/04/2008 21:37:55 * Russ makes a glub glub noise 01/04/2008 21:37:57 * Mr Baron quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:38:01 * Russ presents you with a note on a pencil 01/04/2008 21:38:01 ‹Saracenus› Ack, Fred Ward... 01/04/2008 21:38:08 ‹Grimcleaver› WHAT?? 01/04/2008 21:38:09 ‹James Jacobs› I know about the game, Jason. Never fear. 01/04/2008 21:38:15 ‹The Jade› Speaking of Jeff Bridges... if you haven't seen it... I HIGHLY RECOMMEND The Amateurs (aka The Moguls) 01/04/2008 21:38:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Once again, I agree with James, the B&W film is fantastic... 01/04/2008 21:38:24 ‹The Jade› Made in 2006 I think. 01/04/2008 21:38:25 * Moth working quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:38:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> I figured you knew 01/04/2008 21:38:29 ‹paul› which one? 01/04/2008 21:38:35 ‹Grimcleaver› Hopefully a video game. Can't imagine a Cloverfield RPG. 01/04/2008 21:38:45 ‹Russ› Bridges was great in this little-known film called the Amercian Success Company 01/04/2008 21:38:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Jade> I just saw that this weekend.. very funny 01/04/2008 21:38:49 ‹Watcher› I just recently saw that B&W silent C of C film 21:38:56 ‹Hill Giant› Cloverfield reminded me of The Kraken Wakes, but with less socal commentary 01/04/2008 21:38:56 ‹James Jacobs› Another pretty good Lovecraft adaptation: "The Resurrected." Directed by Dan O'Bannion (writer of Alien), based on "The Strange Case of Charles Dexter Ward." 01/04/2008 21:38:56 ‹Grimcleaver› Can't really picture a Cloverfield video game either. 01/04/2008 21:38:57 ‹Saracenus› My favorite film I watched last year... The restored and remastered Metropolis... 01/04/2008 21:39:01 ‹Saracenus› It was gorgeous 01/04/2008 21:39:25 ‹The Jade› Cool, Jason. I can't get enough people to go look for it. 01/04/2008 21:39:25 ‹Grimcleaver› Ooh. Love Metropolis! 01/04/2008 21:39:35 ‹Takasi› I misread that Watcher, and got a mental image of an obese illithid :P 01/04/2008 21:39:40 * Samwise joins Main 01/04/2008 21:39:41 ‹James Jacobs› http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478988/ 01/04/2008 21:39:41 ‹Grimcleaver› That film is amazing! 01/04/2008 21:40:01 ‹The Jade› I saw some kind of danced up version of Metropolis many years ago. 01/04/2008 21:40:10 ‹The Jade› They colorized it and added a soundtrack I think. 01/04/2008 21:40:29 ‹James Jacobs› I've got "The Kraken Wakes" sitting around on a shelf here waiting for me to re-find and read it somewhere... 01/04/2008 21:40:31 ‹Grimcleaver› They made an anime based on Metropolis. Wow. Weird. Made by that Akira guy. 01/04/2008 21:40:42 ‹Grimcleaver› Hate the Akira guy. 01/04/2008 21:40:45 ‹Saracenus› Go see the restored origional, Netflix has it... it will blow your mind 01/04/2008 21:40:53 ‹Crimson Jester› I know we are in movie mode but I just have to ask How is work pregressing on Pathfinder RPG? 01/04/2008 21:41:09 ‹paul› showtime had a couple of the masters of horror do a few 01/04/2008 21:41:18 ‹Grimcleaver› I'm loving a bunch of the new rules. 01/04/2008 21:41:19 ‹Russ› James> Not Wyndham's best, but not bad. 01/04/2008 21:41:29 ‹Wyvern› Grimcleaver, you mean Katsuhiro Otomo. Akira is another famous anime. 01/04/2008 21:41:34 ‹The Jade› I'll check it out saracenus 01/04/2008 21:41:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Crimson> its moving along.. I am hoping to put up release 2 here in a couple of weeks.. of course, this is not a guarantee.. 01/04/2008 21:41:37 ‹Russ› I recommend The Chrysalids and the Trouble with Lichen 01/04/2008 21:41:40 ‹Pygon› Presence, thank you for your tweaks, it's working swimmingly :) 01/04/2008 21:41:47 ‹Grimcleaver› Wyvern, Yeah. Urgh. 01/04/2008 21:41:59 ‹Crimson Jester› what can we expect in 2? 01/04/2008 21:42:17 ‹Grimcleaver› Wyvern, He's always coming up with these killer ideas and then does a butt job of telling them. 01/04/2008 21:42:24 ‹Presence› My pleasure, Pygon! 01/04/2008 21:42:27 * Russ picked up the new Dresden Files today 01/04/2008 21:42:29 * Watcher listens for the answer to Crimson's second question 01/04/2008 21:42:31 ‹Grimcleaver› Wyvern, Steamboy, for example. 01/04/2008 21:42:54 ‹James Jacobs› Jason! You gotta get release 2 done in like 2 days! That's the goal! WORK WORK WORK! 01/04/2008 21:43:00 ‹Crimson Jester› Dresden files rocks they never should have cancelled it 01/04/2008 21:43:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Crimson> Four more classes, some magic item bits, some NPC bits, some GM bits, and a fair number of spells... among a number of other pieces... 01/04/2008 21:43:09 ‹Wyvern› I liked it ...then again I'm probably easy to please. 01/04/2008 21:43:22 ‹Saracenus› Russ> Is it hardback? 01/04/2008 21:43:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Great.. when do you start helping? 01/04/2008 21:43:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-P 01/04/2008 21:43:26 ‹Takasi› there was supposed to be an Urban Arcana tv show on sci-fi, not sure what happened to that 01/04/2008 21:43:41 ‹James Jacobs› I'm helping RIGHT NOW by not throwing cow dung and hobos at you. 01/04/2008 21:43:42 ‹paul› which one russ 01/04/2008 21:43:45 ‹Crimson Jester› well I put my 2 cents in on the boards hopfully some of my nonsense helped 01/04/2008 21:43:53 ‹Russ› Success (or American Success Company) online, if anyone wants a goofy movie: http://www.williamrichert.com/id5.html 01/04/2008 21:43:58 ‹Grimcleaver› I noticed the thing in the optional rules about racial hitpoints, and a little nod toward Grimcleaver. I really appreciated that. Granted it might have been an independant thing, but I still geeked over it. 01/04/2008 21:43:58 ‹Russ› Paul - the one that came out today, Small Favor 01/04/2008 21:44:16 ‹Russ› Saracenus> yep, hardcover 01/04/2008 21:44:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> But the hobos could help.. but giving me their relazing bindle massage.. oh thats nice... umm.. yeah.. more stink.. yes... 01/04/2008 21:44:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright.. I am done with that now... 01/04/2008 21:44:45 ‹paul› ty i wsa thinking of those books today after class 01/04/2008 21:44:55 ‹paul› its fate that i will pick up the last two 01/04/2008 21:44:58 ‹paul› now 01/04/2008 21:45:01 ‹Saracenus› Russ> My wife says you suck... she reads them in 45 minutes so we wait for the softcover 01/04/2008 21:45:02 ‹Wyvern› I need a bard to start using PRPG! I'm anxious to give it a whirl. 01/04/2008 21:45:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Crimson> More nonsense is always good 01/04/2008 21:45:23 ‹Grimcleaver› Hoping to run the most current version of the Pathfinder rules for my game at Paizocon. 01/04/2008 21:45:23 ‹Crimson Jester› I just want to see bonded weapons for Paladins 01/04/2008 21:45:34 * Russ nyahs Saracenus 01/04/2008 21:45:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wyvern> Bard will not be until release 3 i think... 01/04/2008 21:45:45 ‹James Jacobs› ugh 01/04/2008 21:45:48 ‹James Jacobs› That's too long to wait. 01/04/2008 21:45:55 ‹Wyvern› Indeed :( 01/04/2008 21:46:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Maybe for you :-P 01/04/2008 21:46:07 ‹Daigle› Damn 01/04/2008 21:46:09 ‹Russ› Dresden gets turned into a sprite, that's why the title. 01/04/2008 21:46:10 ‹Saracenus› A summoned bonded weapon would rock 01/04/2008 21:46:13 ‹Pygon› so much Bard hate. 01/04/2008 21:46:13 ‹Crimson Jester› Sigh 01/04/2008 21:46:15 ‹paul› russ did you read any of the mistborn books 01/04/2008 21:46:15 ‹Daigle› What's in 2? 01/04/2008 21:46:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I am still working on ideas, it is a tricky class to play with... 01/04/2008 21:46:25 ‹Russ› nope, I did not 01/04/2008 21:46:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> I do not hate bards.. I just like making james suffer... 01/04/2008 21:46:51 ‹James Jacobs› I got the bard ALL WORKED OUT in my head. Have had it fixed for YEARS. 01/04/2008 21:47:02 ‹Crimson Jester› Well half the people want it trashed the other half want it stale, so I could see an ulcer in your future 01/04/2008 21:47:04 ‹Watcher› to refine Daigle's question, what classes can we expect? 01/04/2008 21:47:05 ‹James Jacobs› Is awesome 01/04/2008 21:47:06 ‹Grimcleaver› I don't get bard hate at all. They're one of my favorite classes, I love the little tidbits of knowledge, and passionate spellcasting from the greatness of their hearts. That's just cool. 01/04/2008 21:47:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> Barbarians, Druids, Sorcerers, and Paladins... 01/04/2008 21:47:12 ‹Hill Giant› Bards should get perform as a free bonus skill 01/04/2008 21:47:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› james> Really.. hmm.. I guess i should talk to you then.. :-) 01/04/2008 21:47:31 ‹Pygon› so much James hate. 01/04/2008 21:47:33 ‹Russ› Grimcleaver> Homophobia. 01/04/2008 21:47:36 ‹The Jade› Night you princes of Paizo. 01/04/2008 21:47:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Jade 01/04/2008 21:47:49 ‹James Jacobs› People who hate bards, I suspect, would also hate wizards if they tried to play their wizards as fighters. 01/04/2008 21:47:49 ‹Watcher› I need to split too 01/04/2008 21:47:50 ‹Wyvern› There you go! James is being proactive, use him :) 01/04/2008 21:47:58 ‹Watcher› Nearly 1 am, seeya ! 01/04/2008 21:48:01 ‹Wyvern› See ya Jade 01/04/2008 21:48:05 * Saracenus runs around naked so he can be invisible 01/04/2008 21:48:07 ‹Grimcleaver› Homophobia? With regard to bards? How's that? 01/04/2008 21:48:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Rone! 01/04/2008 21:48:16 ‹Saracenus› Obey the Banjo heathens! 01/04/2008 21:48:20 ‹Lilith› Night Jade! 01/04/2008 21:48:30 ‹Saracenus› Night Jade 01/04/2008 21:48:31 ‹Grimcleaver› Night Jade! 01/04/2008 21:48:34 ‹Crimson Jester› But with the increased abilities of wizards in Pathfinder you can almost play them fighterish 01/04/2008 21:48:35 ‹Russ› All bards and all players of bards are gay. 01/04/2008 21:48:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wow.. Russ.. Harsh... 01/04/2008 21:48:51 ‹Crimson Jester› I like Bards 01/04/2008 21:48:52 ‹deClench› Night Jade 01/04/2008 21:48:57 * The Jade quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:48:59 ‹Daigle› Jason, do Bards and Barbarians next so I can flip my game immediately ;) 01/04/2008 21:49:01 ‹Saracenus› Russ> I know your wife plays a bard in LG 01/04/2008 21:49:03 * Watcher quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 21:49:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I mean.. some are just crazy.. :-) 01/04/2008 21:49:16 ‹Grimcleaver› I actually see a lot of bards impregnating vast swaths of countryside. Then again, I've always seen them as much more starving artist types. 01/04/2008 21:49:48 ‹Hill Giant› My archetypical bard is Orpheus 01/04/2008 21:49:50 ‹Russ› Saracenus> Hey, what we do in our bedroom is our business :) 01/04/2008 21:49:50 ‹Grimcleaver› I just dig their style. 01/04/2008 21:49:57 ‹Russ› Jason> It IS April 1st, dude :) 01/04/2008 21:50:02 ‹Pygon› Bards are fun, then again I wanted to play an eldritch knight... wizard as fighter. 01/04/2008 21:50:11 ‹Grimcleaver› DUDE! It's April 1st! 01/04/2008 21:50:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I know... :-) 01/04/2008 21:50:22 ‹Grimcleaver› Dangit! 01/04/2008 21:50:23 ‹Crimson Jester› thats a prestige class in serious need of a fix 01/04/2008 21:50:27 ‹Grimcleaver› I totally forgot! 01/04/2008 21:50:41 ‹paul› black orpheus 01/04/2008 21:50:43 * Russ would rather see prestige classes gone 01/04/2008 21:50:49 ‹Grimcleaver› I think Prestige Classes should totally go! 01/04/2008 21:50:55 ‹Grimcleaver› Hate them. 01/04/2008 21:51:02 ‹Crimson Jester› I like thoughtful usefull prestige classes 01/04/2008 21:51:06 ‹Russ› eldritch knights? Personally, I think full casting and full BAB is more than enough for a prestige class 01/04/2008 21:51:21 * Daigle could care less about prestige classes 01/04/2008 21:51:36 ‹Saracenus› Arcane Archer needs some fixin' 01/04/2008 21:51:36 ‹Grimcleaver› If you don't think so take a look at the Dragon Compendium and you'll immediately see that it's a dumb idea. 01/04/2008 21:51:36 ‹Crimson Jester› eldritch knights are so broke it isnt funny 01/04/2008 21:51:47 ‹Pygon› actually for eldritch knight I think it's -3 BAB and -2 CL. 01/04/2008 21:51:57 * Daigle tempers his statement with "sorta" 01/04/2008 21:52:22 ‹Saracenus› Crimson Jester> No EK are not, trust me I don't think I saw a single EK in LG and that is the land of broken character builds 01/04/2008 21:52:31 ‹Saracenus› Ask Russ about his first PC, it was sick 01/04/2008 21:52:37 ‹Russ› the progression during the class. 01/04/2008 21:53:03 ‹Wyvern› I believe there should be VERY FEW prestige classes. They should be special, something you strive for, not just a slapping of bonuses and a fancy name. 01/04/2008 21:53:03 ‹Russ› Saracenus - arcane archer wasn't mine, mine was the spellsword dip who couldn't fail a Fort save 01/04/2008 21:53:08 ‹Grimcleaver› You spend your whole character's career trying to artificially engineer him toward some ridiculous requirements for a Prestige Class, and then when you finally get it--the stupid thing is so weak sauce you feel totally duped. 01/04/2008 21:53:15 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Is CotCT part deux still due for this week? 01/04/2008 21:53:16 ‹Russ› Ftr 1/ Wiz 6/spellsword 1/Loremaster 6 01/04/2008 21:53:21 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Last Baron? 01/04/2008 21:53:21 ‹Crimson Jester› its not that it is broke in a good way...its broke in a bad way...no one plays one because it doesnt develope except for crappy basic abilities 01/04/2008 21:53:23 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> yes 01/04/2008 21:53:25 ‹Russ› Oops, Fatespinner 4 too 01/04/2008 21:53:29 ‹Pygon› sweet 01/04/2008 21:53:29 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Demon within? 01/04/2008 21:53:34 ‹Grimcleaver› Archmage is a prime example. 01/04/2008 21:53:40 ‹Grimcleaver› Lame lame lame. 01/04/2008 21:53:55 ‹Pygon› James - sorry, Charles wanted to make sure it was asked - any sign of German translations? 01/04/2008 21:54:03 ‹Russ› Well, the issue of prestige classes being too good is a real one. The arms race ruined 3rd, and will ruin 4th. 01/04/2008 21:54:08 ‹James Jacobs› Archmage is an unnecessary prestige class. A perfect example of a prestige class we're trying to get rid of the need for by giving high-level wizards a reason to exist in the first place. 01/04/2008 21:54:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> They are coming along, I am a bit out of the loop.. I think we are expecting Demon Within very soon 01/04/2008 21:54:18 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; no news about German translations. 01/04/2008 21:54:23 ‹Pygon› ok thanks 01/04/2008 21:54:28 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: :woot: 01/04/2008 21:54:32 * Lilith slides Jason Bulmahn another beer. 01/04/2008 21:54:35 ‹Lilith› :beer: 01/04/2008 21:54:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is.. once again, correct... 01/04/2008 21:54:39 ‹James Jacobs› The arms race ruins every edition. 01/04/2008 21:54:50 ‹Hill Giant› Kits in 2E 01/04/2008 21:54:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› And every game 01/04/2008 21:55:00 ‹Grimcleaver› I wish there WERE some unbalanced Prestige Classes, they all seem so weak sauce. I'd love it if there were some that felt worth all the backbreaking effort. 01/04/2008 21:55:11 ‹James Jacobs› In1st, it was the cavalier. In 2nd, it was the dwarf kits in the complete dwarf handbook. In 3rd, it was Vow of Poverty. 4th will have one as well. 01/04/2008 21:55:22 ‹Russ› Yes. You don't need a prestige class for "kickass necromancer", or swordsman, or archer, or caster, or summoner, or hider in shadows, or wallaby tamer. 01/04/2008 21:55:26 ‹Crimson Jester› thats why prestige classes should be about flavor and not about power, they shouldnt be more powerfull then just staying a mage it should open other options 01/04/2008 21:55:26 ‹Samwise› how about just making prestige classes that are what they were originally 01/04/2008 21:55:27 ‹James Jacobs› Grimcleaver: Check out the frenzied berserker. 01/04/2008 21:55:28 ‹paul› ahh the cavalier 01/04/2008 21:55:31 * Lilith wants prestige classes to be prestigious again. 01/04/2008 21:55:31 ‹James Jacobs› That one's pretty horrific. 01/04/2008 21:55:35 ‹Samwise› special classes for special groups 01/04/2008 21:55:46 ‹Grimcleaver› Archmages DO have a purpose! They create the spells other folks learn! Not the way the class is written though. 01/04/2008 21:55:50 ‹Wyvern› Agree 100% Crimson Jester 01/04/2008 21:55:50 ‹Russ› hulking hurler 01/04/2008 21:55:54 ‹Russ› Evangelist 01/04/2008 21:55:59 ‹Russ› Ur-Priest 01/04/2008 21:56:03 ‹Samwise› not just gratuitous power thrown around with the flavor hacked off whenever needed 01/04/2008 21:56:12 ‹Karelzarath› Frenzied Berserker is horridly powerful. 01/04/2008 21:56:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› The Radiant Servant of Pelor is better than a cleric and has no difficult entry requirements for a cleric. 01/04/2008 21:56:17 ‹Russ› whatever the Void wizard thingie is 01/04/2008 21:56:18 ‹Blazej› Multiclassing prestige classes? 01/04/2008 21:56:24 ‹Samwise› rabid dire wallaby tamer ;) 01/04/2008 21:56:27 ‹James Jacobs› Hey. Why does Bulmahn have a paizo and I don't? WAHHHH! 01/04/2008 21:56:34 ‹Saracenus› Yeah, I dominated an evil NPC with Frenzied Berserker... My DM about had a heart attack when I didn't turn him over to the authorities 01/04/2008 21:56:36 * Lilith gasps! 01/04/2008 21:56:37 ‹Russ› Samwise - they were never that, except for a handful of magazine classes. 01/04/2008 21:56:46 ‹James Jacobs› YAY 01/04/2008 21:56:49 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: better? :P 01/04/2008 21:56:49 ‹Karelzarath› You're the undercover brotha, James. 01/04/2008 21:56:52 ‹Blazej› As in PrCs that make multiclassing more useful. 01/04/2008 21:57:02 ‹paul› i loved prestige classes that complimated my chac in a way the reg classes could not 01/04/2008 21:57:20 ‹Hill Giant› I think I prefer alternate abilities to prestige classes 01/04/2008 21:57:24 ‹James Jacobs› The dervish is pretty horrific at 10th level... 01/04/2008 21:57:26 ‹Samwise› russ>when prestige classes get everything a standard class gets plus a class ability/feat equivalent every level, thats pretty much gratuitous power 01/04/2008 21:57:38 ‹Lilith› Hill Giant: Alternate Class Levels? I do like those. 01/04/2008 21:57:40 ‹Samwise› like elf-kisser, i mean ruathar 01/04/2008 21:57:46 ‹Russ› Jason, have I remembered to ask you to PLEASE fix mounted charge builds? 01/04/2008 21:58:07 ‹Crimson Jester› a bonus not doubling 01/04/2008 21:58:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I am looking into it 01/04/2008 21:58:17 ‹James Jacobs› My theory about prestige classes: They should expand/support a specific game world. The tattoo mage? Bad prestige class. The Red Wizard? Good prestige class. Even if both are identical crunch-wise. 01/04/2008 21:58:20 ‹Takasi› the biggest problem, IMO, with many prestige classes is that they are built as a reward for taking a specific build that may not be as fun prior to achieving the PrC 01/04/2008 21:58:33 ‹Wyvern› Yes yes James. 01/04/2008 21:58:37 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Cool. :headbang: Your thoughts match mine. 01/04/2008 21:59:07 ‹James Jacobs› The biggest problem with prestige classes is that there's SO MANY of them. Each one you add creates new opportunities for broken combos, and devaules the cool factor of all the similar ones out there. 01/04/2008 21:59:12 * mortellan joins Main 01/04/2008 21:59:13 ‹Grimcleaver› I dunno. Not familiar with a lot of those. My experience with them is they're mostly fun for flavor reasons. I've tended to let my players choose Prestige Class levels as regular character classes. 01/04/2008 21:59:22 ‹Crimson Jester› I have another theory...there shouldnt be a whole hell of a lot of prestige classes either 01/04/2008 21:59:27 ‹Lilith› mortellan! morty! Muerte! :glomp: 01/04/2008 21:59:44 ‹Russ› JAmes> well, you guys have an opportunity there, since unlike WotC you don't rely on splatbooks for your bottom line 01/04/2008 21:59:46 ‹mortellan› oooo lili lili legs lilith 01/04/2008 21:59:47 ‹Wyvern› Heya mort 01/04/2008 21:59:53 * Takasi quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:00:01 ‹Russ› WotC's going to run every edition into their ground with their dozen books a year model 01/04/2008 22:00:06 ‹Russ› (rulebooks, not sourcebooks) 01/04/2008 22:00:25 ‹Blazej› Should we be avoiding classes like the Mystic Thuerge, Arcane Trickster? 01/04/2008 22:00:31 ‹Crimson Jester› well it wont be long till 5th is out anyway 01/04/2008 22:00:36 ‹mortellan› yo wyv 01/04/2008 22:00:48 ‹Pygon› I see the eldritch knight as an answer for people that want to relive the old fighter/mage style of old. a half and half multiclass fighter/wizard in 3e is too weak in both areas to be effective. a little less BAB and CL and give up the bonus feats, and I think it's a fair compromise 01/04/2008 22:00:49 ‹Karelzarath› Mmm... mystic theurge... 01/04/2008 22:01:01 ‹Grimcleaver› I wouldn't mind a dozen good books a year. I just hate the Complete Book of Boats, the Complete Book of Sand, the Complete Book of Snow...blah. 01/04/2008 22:01:12 ‹James Jacobs› A big part of the problem with prestige classes is that they're a super easy way to pad out a book. They're pretty easy to design, and they give a book an instant reason for players to buy. They're just SO TEMPTING to include in a book for a game designer. It's the lazy answer, really. 01/04/2008 22:01:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej: Right now, i would not worry about it.. these classes will still exist... 01/04/2008 22:01:28 ‹Grimcleaver› There's nearly a dozen Pathfinder books coming out now that I want. 01/04/2008 22:01:28 ‹Hill Giant› I'd prefer a feat or alternate class ability to make multiclass work (ala Practiced Caster) 01/04/2008 22:01:34 * Karelzarath grins at James. 01/04/2008 22:01:52 ‹paul› if i see thtat a book contains pretige classes it makes me want it more 01/04/2008 22:01:58 ‹paul› not that i every use them 01/04/2008 22:02:01 ‹James Jacobs› The mystic theurge is bone dry, flavor wise. It's schtick is cool, but its so DRY. Like eating ashes. 01/04/2008 22:02:12 ‹Crimson Jester› ide prefer less feats and a few balanced game specific Prc's 01/04/2008 22:02:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hill> Me too.. for the most part, I am a firm believer that the base classes should be filling the "classic" archtypes.. if you are using a pclass to fill it, something has gone wrong... 01/04/2008 22:02:17 ‹paul› like a compulsion 01/04/2008 22:02:22 ‹mortellan› ive never had a player make a M-T 01/04/2008 22:02:24 ‹Takasi› for the most part though, our group enjoyed comparing prestige classes when new books came out 01/04/2008 22:02:26 ‹Samwise› and made second rate by the arcane hierophant 01/04/2008 22:02:27 ‹Grimcleaver› I just hate that nobody seems clear on what makes a prestige class prestige versus standard. There's a lot of each that should be the other. 01/04/2008 22:02:37 ‹Blazej› I would just love to be able to have a Cleric/Barbarian or a Monk/Sorcerer without digging though my books for some method to make it work. 01/04/2008 22:02:40 ‹Lilith› There are at least 700 prestige classes out there currently. 01/04/2008 22:02:45 ‹Daigle› I think prestige classes got out of hand when it should have been variant class abilites spreading 01/04/2008 22:02:46 ‹James Jacobs› Now all that said... I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE mixing and matching prestige classes when I make PCs. LOVE IT! 01/04/2008 22:02:57 ‹Pygon› :) 01/04/2008 22:02:58 ‹Blazej› Work well at least. 01/04/2008 22:03:13 ‹Samwise› just say no James! 01/04/2008 22:03:14 ‹Samwise› ;) 01/04/2008 22:03:22 ‹Takasi› it's great for 'theoretical D&D', making cool builds 01/04/2008 22:03:25 ‹paul› i loved my true necromancer,,,it was teh closest i every got to what i wanted in a necromancer 01/04/2008 22:03:25 ‹Takasi› I can do that for hours 01/04/2008 22:03:25 ‹Crimson Jester› the varient class abilities thing always anoyed me 01/04/2008 22:03:27 ‹James Jacobs› I think they're really fun. But then again... that's partially because I usually have a pretty weird idea in my mind when I come up with a character, and no one prestige class works to make her do what I want her to do. 01/04/2008 22:03:30 ‹Takasi› it's a game within a game 01/04/2008 22:03:31 ‹Russ› Yeah, I make crazy builds 01/04/2008 22:03:37 ‹James Jacobs› So I cobble things together. 01/04/2008 22:03:39 ‹Grimcleaver› To pick on the Dragon Compendium, for example--the battledancer is a freed slave who's been taught the art of slave fighting in order to win their freedom. Base class. 01/04/2008 22:03:45 ‹Saracenus› Takasi> I got a new RPG model for ya 8-) : http://jrients.blogspot.com/20...re.html 01/04/2008 22:03:52 ‹Daigle› When did that Sam dude sneak in? ;) 01/04/2008 22:04:03 ‹Karelzarath› I think Fray is the king of the 12-class 20th-level character. :D 01/04/2008 22:04:04 ‹Samwise› 15-20 minutes ago 01/04/2008 22:04:13 ‹Takasi› Saracenus, I posted that on Paizo a month or so ago 01/04/2008 22:04:15 ‹Samwise› im pretty burned out from the walk home 01/04/2008 22:04:21 ‹Daigle› How's it going? 01/04/2008 22:04:23 ‹James Jacobs› And invariably, once I settle on a prestige class combo, and start taking levels, some NEW book comes along that would have let me do what I want even better. 01/04/2008 22:04:24 ‹Grimcleaver› The Death Master, pretty much a specialty cleric of Orcus, but it's a base class. 01/04/2008 22:04:32 ‹Takasi› I claim that Paizo's design philosophy for Pathfinder is primarily Pretentious Retro :P 01/04/2008 22:04:38 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Coffee Making Lilith is AFK 01/04/2008 22:04:46 ‹James Jacobs› I would concur that Pathfinder is Pretentious Retro. 01/04/2008 22:04:50 ‹James Jacobs› That's me to a T. 01/04/2008 22:04:51 ‹Takasi› Mike Mearls has proudly stated 4E is Retro Stupid 01/04/2008 22:05:04 ‹Wyvern› He has? 01/04/2008 22:05:10 ‹Takasi› yep 01/04/2008 22:05:13 ‹Russ› 4thE is pretty stupid, alright 01/04/2008 22:05:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Takasi> We do what we can... :-) 01/04/2008 22:05:28 ‹Grimcleaver› On the other hand the Arcanopath Monk seems to have no requirements other than the desire to dish out hate on mages--not much different than the rogues hate of X monster. 01/04/2008 22:05:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› because we know best.. :-) 01/04/2008 22:05:51 * Takasi changes his/her nickname to Takasi playing Burning Sky 01/04/2008 22:06:03 ‹Wyvern› Takasi, link? 01/04/2008 22:06:05 ‹Blazej› Grimcleaver, you mean Ranger? 01/04/2008 22:06:12 ‹Russ› occult slayer is an example of something I'd call an acceptable p-class concept 01/04/2008 22:06:20 ‹Grimcleaver› Blah..yeah ranger. Sorry. 01/04/2008 22:06:28 ‹Grimcleaver› Typing fast gets me in trouble. 01/04/2008 22:06:56 ‹Saracenus› Jason Bulmahn> So when are you going to adapt F.A.T.A.L. for 3p I saw the photo of you reading that blasphamous tome,,,, 01/04/2008 22:07:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well.. I am nearly out of time tonight if I am going to get any writing done.. last call for questions... 01/04/2008 22:07:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Saracenu> Lies I tell you Lies.... 01/04/2008 22:07:20 ‹Grimcleaver› But you get that in all the books. There's this sense that there's really no firm difference between the two except for prereqs, which are just a game mechanic gimmick. 01/04/2008 22:07:25 * Sir Wulf joins Main 01/04/2008 22:07:35 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wulf 01/04/2008 22:07:42 ‹Samwise› retro stupid? 01/04/2008 22:07:46 ‹Grimcleaver› *puts soapbox away* 01/04/2008 22:07:47 ‹Sir Wulf› Hello! 01/04/2008 22:08:01 ‹Grimcleaver› :blush: 01/04/2008 22:08:19 ‹James Jacobs› Part of the problem too is the desire to keep customers buying new books. That's how an RPG company stays in business. And if the idea is that "players buy books; players love prestige classes, let's prestige class up this book" well, you see where that gets you. 01/04/2008 22:08:23 ‹Saracenus› Sam: http://jrients.blogspot.com/20...re.html 01/04/2008 22:08:32 ‹Russ› To the ruination of a game. 01/04/2008 22:08:34 ‹Russ› (imo) 01/04/2008 22:08:37 ‹James Jacobs› And then when those books DO go sell more than other books that don't have as many prestige classes... well there ya go. 01/04/2008 22:08:47 ‹Russ› Magic the RPG. 01/04/2008 22:08:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well, it's past 1am here, and as usual, I need to clean up my AoW games before sneaking off to bed. 01/04/2008 22:09:03 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Craig! 01/04/2008 22:09:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I am going to get rolling too... 01/04/2008 22:09:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› See you all next week! 01/04/2008 22:09:10 ‹Crimson Jester› yes but how many have you released for Pathfinder 1? 01/04/2008 22:09:17 ‹James Jacobs› JASON! Rolling? Wheels or Treads? 01/04/2008 22:09:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› Thanks Jason, Thanks James! 01/04/2008 22:09:27 ‹Pygon› thank you again Jason, good luck with your progress 01/04/2008 22:09:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Treads.... 01/04/2008 22:09:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> Thanks... 01/04/2008 22:09:45 ‹Daigle› Have a god night Jason 01/04/2008 22:09:56 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Jester> Not many... but then we've found that what people want to buy is Adventrue Paths. Our customers, I suspect, are looking for something different. 01/04/2008 22:10:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› See you all next week 01/04/2008 22:10:06 ‹Daigle› I meant good, but fuck it, have a God night 01/04/2008 22:10:09 ‹James Jacobs› Rumble on, Bulmahn! Rumble on! 01/04/2008 22:10:18 ‹James Jacobs› HA! God nights! 01/04/2008 22:10:20 ‹Samwise› http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23903817/ 01/04/2008 22:10:24 ‹Sir Wulf› Hmmm. Looks like I got here in the nick of time... 01/04/2008 22:10:25 ‹Samwise› have yall seen that? 01/04/2008 22:10:31 ‹James Jacobs› Yup 01/04/2008 22:10:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Sorry Wulf.. see you next week... 01/04/2008 22:10:39 ‹Samwise› a certain other companies name is mentioned :P 01/04/2008 22:10:40 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:10:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Bye... 01/04/2008 22:10:42 ‹Crimson Jester› yes well so far your right where my pocket book is 01/04/2008 22:10:56 ‹Pygon› yes but they said Paizo "will not be supporting 4e". is that entirely true? 01/04/2008 22:10:58 ‹James Jacobs› I'm particularly amused that they picked up that AWESOME old Erol Otus art for the story. Rock. 01/04/2008 22:11:02 ‹Saracenus› Night 01/04/2008 22:11:06 ‹Sir Wulf› Have a good one! 01/04/2008 22:11:11 ‹Saracenus› I am off to bed 01/04/2008 22:11:13 ‹Pygon› bye Jason 01/04/2008 22:11:19 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm. They took down that picture. Interesting. 01/04/2008 22:11:42 ‹Samwise› yeah, i just looked again for it 01/04/2008 22:11:42 * Jason Bulmahn quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:11:48 ‹James Jacobs› At this point, Paizo CAN'T support 4E. So currently, I guess it is indeed true. Once we see the GSL and all that, things may change. 01/04/2008 22:11:55 ‹Grimcleaver› Honestly I'm glad to be seeing the sourcebooks and such come out. I liked the Adventure Paths, and loved the stories (you guys tell AWESOME stories) but I really can find the new Gazeteers and whatnot a heckova' lot more. 01/04/2008 22:11:59 ‹Pygon› true that :) 01/04/2008 22:11:59 ‹Sir Wulf› It's not exactly 4E, now. No teiflings. 01/04/2008 22:12:04 ‹Hill Giant› I think they took the image from WotC's April Fool's page 01/04/2008 22:12:10 ‹James Jacobs› They did. 01/04/2008 22:12:16 * Saracenus quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:12:33 ‹Hill Giant› Maybe, WotC didn't appreciate that 01/04/2008 22:12:44 ‹Sir Wulf› I don't think they realized it was meant as a joke. 01/04/2008 22:12:52 ‹James Jacobs› BUT that said... the article's full of strange half-truths and stereotypes and whatnot. But for all of it, I still think it's a really well-researched article, considering it's AP and mainstream and all that. 01/04/2008 22:13:03 ‹Grimcleaver› I'm really looking for the topical books to come out, particularly the one on Osirion, but really the whole line looks freakin' awesome! 01/04/2008 22:13:22 ‹Hill Giant› I was waiting for the article to be an AP joke... 01/04/2008 22:13:34 ‹Grimcleaver› And the monster reinvisioning book. That one will have a place of honor. 01/04/2008 22:13:37 ‹Pygon› James - I think you answered this before, but I was wondering abotu Savage Tide as an example - did you decide what the whole path would involve and just get authors to detail out each chapter, or did any authors' contributions actually change how the path's story unfolded? 01/04/2008 22:13:41 ‹Hill Giant› AF 01/04/2008 22:14:02 ‹Grimcleaver› *heart* 01/04/2008 22:14:24 ‹Samwise› retro stupid 01/04/2008 22:14:25 ‹Samwise› feh 01/04/2008 22:14:42 ‹Grimcleaver› Is Pretentious Retro. 01/04/2008 22:14:44 ‹James Jacobs› For all our Adventrue Paths, we do up an outline. Generally, that means I write up about a page of backstory, then a page for each adventure. Then I have each author develop that page into a larger, more in-depth outline, and I approve it or make changes or whatever and then they're off to the writing. 01/04/2008 22:15:17 ‹Pygon› ok, so if an author's drection takes the progression away from your plan, you steer them back 01/04/2008 22:15:19 ‹James Jacobs› For Savage Tide, I suggested movies and books as inspiration, for example. For "Bullywug Gambit" I suggested to Nick to watch Die Hard but imagine bullywugs instead of terrorists. 01/04/2008 22:15:45 ‹Grimcleaver› Die Hard...with bullywugs? 01/04/2008 22:15:50 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm eager to get started with the organized play Pathfinder Society... 01/04/2008 22:15:53 ‹Samwise› ribbit 01/04/2008 22:15:54 ‹Pygon› seems perfect in a way :) 01/04/2008 22:15:55 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Not always. If the author's direction is cool (and USUALLY it is) we let them run with it. SOME times that causes problems. 01/04/2008 22:15:56 ‹Grimcleaver› Wow. There's an image. 01/04/2008 22:16:33 ‹Sir Wulf› I suddenly picture Allan Rickman as a bullywug... 01/04/2008 22:16:35 ‹Pygon› I see, thanks 01/04/2008 22:16:52 ‹Crimson Jester› James Jacobs> did Gygax have another book written about Anubis Murders, Samarkand solution? and if so any plans to publish? 01/04/2008 22:17:05 ‹James Jacobs› For Hook Mountain Massacre, for example, my outline to Nick basically called for the assault the fort and retake it from the ogres, followed by a long "rebuilding the fort" section where you go on miniquests to re-establish links with local crafters and fix the damage, and then head up onto Hook Mountain to stop the ogres from doing a second assault before they do. 01/04/2008 22:17:35 ‹Sir Wulf› Wow. Nick took that ball and ran with it. 01/04/2008 22:18:02 ‹James Jacobs› But Nick came up with the Graul Homestead, a lot of cool stuff in Turtleback Ferry, and most importantly, the Skull's Crossing dam sequence. SO I told him to go ahead and play down the "Rebuild the keep" section and go for it. 01/04/2008 22:18:11 ‹Crimson Jester› and ran and ran and 01/04/2008 22:18:18 ‹Coffee Making Lilith is AFK› Crimson Jester: Samarkand was on the Blog not too long ago 01/04/2008 22:18:21 ‹Sir Wulf› and ran and ran... 01/04/2008 22:18:21 ‹James Jacobs› Which was an error, because that basically greenlit a 70 page adventure when I needed a 45 page adventure. 01/04/2008 22:18:24 ‹Grimcleaver› James Jacobs, Hey, I heard Nick might be headed to the Paizocon. Any chance he might bring his unabridged Hook Mountain with him? 01/04/2008 22:18:25 ‹Pygon› then he handed in an encyclopedia without maps :) 01/04/2008 22:18:58 ‹Grimcleaver› Would LOVE to play the big fight against Black Magga in the church! 01/04/2008 22:19:02 ‹Grimcleaver› :cthulhu: 01/04/2008 22:19:03 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. There wer no maps. Nick's maps for Skull's Crossing were, and i shit you not... two lines running in parallel, then two more lines running in parallel, and then some boxes under that. 01/04/2008 22:19:17 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL 01/04/2008 22:19:17 ‹Blazej› :lol: 01/04/2008 22:19:28 ‹Blazej› I'm ... sorry ... 01/04/2008 22:19:30 * Daigle laughs 01/04/2008 22:19:32 ‹Blazej› :lol: 01/04/2008 22:19:34 ‹Coffee Making Lilith is AFK› James Jacobs: Yeah...I remember his GenCon maps. 01/04/2008 22:19:37 * Coffee Making Lilith is AFK changes his/her nickname to Lilith 01/04/2008 22:20:15 ‹Grimcleaver› Has a thing for Black Magga. 01/04/2008 22:20:36 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Yes. Planet Stories will have 3 Gygax novels soon enough. The first is Anubis Burders, and the second is Samarkand. We'll be publishing that one soon. And that won't be all we'll be publishing from Gygax... 01/04/2008 22:20:41 ‹Grimcleaver› Oooh, or I wouldn't mind taking on his original cut of the haunted Shimmerglens. 01/04/2008 22:21:03 ‹Grimcleaver› :shock: 01/04/2008 22:21:46 ‹Crimson Jester› ohh I love the new 4th ed character sheet 01/04/2008 22:21:52 ‹James Jacobs› I'll certainly talk a bit about what was in the unedited Hook Mountain at Paizocon at some seminar if folk are interested. That talk will, I warn you, be X-rated. There was some REALLY unnecessary stuff in there. 01/04/2008 22:22:02 ‹Grimcleaver› What's that look like? 01/04/2008 22:22:04 ‹Sir Wulf› The April 1 edition? 01/04/2008 22:22:11 ‹Crimson Jester› yes 01/04/2008 22:22:22 ‹Russ› Death in New Dehli 01/04/2008 22:22:27 ‹James Jacobs› The Shimmerglens made it through pretty intact, actually. 01/04/2008 22:22:30 ‹Crimson Jester› unnecessay stuff? 01/04/2008 22:22:34 ‹Grimcleaver› James Jacobs, DUDE!! You are the best! I would love to hear that in a seminar! 01/04/2008 22:22:56 ‹Grimcleaver› Crimson Jester, What's the new sheet look like? 01/04/2008 22:23:24 ‹Sir Wulf› Oh No... The new 4E sheet is quite easy to follow and proves that the game will live up to ALL of our expectations... 22:23:57 ‹Crimson Jester› http://www.wizards.com/default...080402a 01/04/2008 22:24:05 ‹Grimcleaver› James Jacobs, Yeah, definitely do a seminar on the original Hook Mountain. I'm sure my whole group I'm coming up with would love to hear it! 01/04/2008 22:24:08 ‹James Jacobs› I really love how simple alignment works on the new 4E sheet, actually. And I like the fact that they've got all the important skills, like Bo Staff skills, Nunchuck skills, and Computer skills. 01/04/2008 22:24:57 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah I actually am sort of nostalgic for AD&D now 01/04/2008 22:24:59 * Grimcleaver2 joins Main 01/04/2008 22:25:19 * Russ hopes to run a small table of Pathfinder RPG at the con, using one of his own adventures 01/04/2008 22:25:22 * Grimcleaver quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:25:31 ‹Wyvern› Hey I can be a decepticon! 01/04/2008 22:25:48 ‹Sir Wulf› I think that has to be spelled with a "z" = "skillz" 01/04/2008 22:26:23 ‹Pygon› nice of them to let use decide which 4.x the sheet is 01/04/2008 22:26:38 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah 01/04/2008 22:27:07 ‹Grimcleaver2› Woo hoo Russ game! 01/04/2008 22:27:26 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm running out of steam. Time to run; Any last minute questions? 01/04/2008 22:27:33 ‹paul› night all, sleep well 01/04/2008 22:27:38 * Grimcleaver2 changes his/her nickname to Grimcleaver 01/04/2008 22:27:51 ‹paul› thanks for answering questions james 01/04/2008 22:28:01 ‹James Jacobs› No problem! 01/04/2008 22:28:08 * Hill Giant quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:28:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Hugs! :thug: Beer! :beer: Cookies! :cookie: 01/04/2008 22:28:17 ‹Lilith› Hope to see you at PaizoCon! 01/04/2008 22:28:31 ‹James Jacobs› When's PaizoCon again? I can't keep track of all these numbers... 01/04/2008 22:28:47 ‹Daigle› Dream well James. I truly enjoyed your dream post on your blog! 01/04/2008 22:28:50 ‹Pygon› bye James, thanks again 01/04/2008 22:28:58 ‹Grimcleaver› Hey thanks James. You're awesome as usual! 01/04/2008 22:29:16 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> The one about the hammer gun and THEM who took over my grandfather's farm? 01/04/2008 22:29:26 ‹Daigle› Fuck yes 01/04/2008 22:29:28 ‹Russ› April 27th or so 01/04/2008 22:29:30 ‹Lilith› James: This month, 25th 01/04/2008 22:29:34 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Yeah. That dream was a doozy. 01/04/2008 22:29:37 ‹Russ› there ya go 01/04/2008 22:29:41 ‹Russ› God, that's coming up SOON. 01/04/2008 22:29:44 ‹Grimcleaver› Weekend of the 26th 01/04/2008 22:29:47 ‹Daigle› I dream lucidly quite a bit, but they're never that interesting. 01/04/2008 22:29:50 ‹Russ› I'll have to get to editing to strip the Greyhawk content from Food for Thought 01/04/2008 22:29:56 ‹Daigle› Made me wish for a bad cold again. 01/04/2008 22:29:56 ‹James Jacobs› Just the 25th? 01/04/2008 22:30:01 * paul quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:30:08 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: No - lemme get my calendar. 01/04/2008 22:30:09 ‹Russ› Is it going to be okay to arrive mid-day Saturday and leave by evening Sunday? 22:30:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: 25th through 27th. 01/04/2008 22:30:28 ‹Russ› oops, make that Friday :) 01/04/2008 22:30:28 ‹Lilith› 26th is the big day 01/04/2008 22:30:30 ‹James Jacobs› A lot of my dreams are pretty crazy like that. I've got a fair amount of them on my blog, actually, scattered in between movie reviews and other bits of randomness. 01/04/2008 22:30:40 ‹Russ› I doubt I can do all three days, really 01/04/2008 22:31:06 * Hill Giant quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:31:27 ‹James Jacobs› Ah... right. I'll certainly be there on the 26th. Although that'll mean cancelling my Savage Tide game... 01/04/2008 22:31:28 ‹Daigle› I've only got one post on mine. I should remedy that 01/04/2008 22:31:41 ‹Crimson Jester› night all 01/04/2008 22:31:48 ‹James Jacobs› But that's cool, since I cancel about 81% of them lately as it is. :( 01/04/2008 22:31:56 ‹Daigle› Night Jester! 01/04/2008 22:31:59 ‹James Jacobs› OK! 01/04/2008 22:32:06 ‹James Jacobs› I'll talk to ya all next Tuesday then! 01/04/2008 22:32:08 * Hill Giant joins Main 01/04/2008 22:32:11 ‹Pygon› good night James 01/04/2008 22:32:18 ‹Lilith› Later James! :glomp: 01/04/2008 22:32:19 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya! 01/04/2008 22:32:21 ‹Grimcleaver› We're coming down late Thursday and staying until Sunday afternoon! 01/04/2008 22:32:27 ‹Daigle› Dream well Reverend Jacobs. 01/04/2008 22:32:36 * deClench quit (timeout) 01/04/2008 22:32:42 ‹Lilith› Revered Reverend! 01/04/2008 22:32:53 * Daigle is one. 01/04/2008 22:33:06 ‹Grimcleaver› Night man! 01/04/2008 22:33:20 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)